22 Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt (1996)83 points5 votes0 first-place votesGreatest contributor: samosa gibreel
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There are about 100 ILX threads with "Jay-Z" in the title so kept my ILXsearching real simple like
Strangely enough though, people still don't seem to understand the concept of reasonable doubt.
― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:35 (5 years ago)
By the way - I'd say some animal research is done out of pure bloodthirstyness... Harry Harlow showed this beyond any reasonable doubt. He was insane.
― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 12 January 2004 19:46 (6 years ago)
"The prosecution will show that Kate did, beyond any reasonable doubt, drug and intice this innocaent young man into a bathtub while she pleasured herself in front of him."
― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:47 (5 years ago)
this all seems reasonable, doubt it will really change 77 at all anyway
― crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 01:13 (1 year ago)
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link
wait also 10 pts for iron man for cappa's winter warz verse. oh and the best mc of the past 15 years i guess. but winter warz!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAwdXRbyWM
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link
my bad lj, i think i am cool w/ knowing kmd won't make it doe.
also :DDDDDDDDDDDDD reasonable doubt!
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
!!! hellls yowws yes, "Brooklyn's finest" is basically mankind's crowning achievement
― hobbes, Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link
so splended. ok gonna put it on right now
― hobbes, Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Re: Reasonable Doubt.
I didn't get it for ages. Compared to most similar albums of the age it seems vulgar at first. There is no dirt to it. Even the biggest, most epic records of the era have their battles fought in the streets. Jay swoops in as the Godfather, already positioning himself at the top, without any track record or anything to show for it. Cuban Linx is Scarface, from the start. Life After Death is very much post-Ready To Die, and starts with Biggie potentially giving up all he's earned just to avenge his fallen comrade. Reasonable Doubt doesn't really have that. He is untouchable and he is better than you. I think Jay learnt his mistakes very quickly here, even over did it with his 'ok i get it, i'm not better than big' modesty.
That said, once you get used to it as a one off from his career, as the start of this insane untouchable bravado rap, making records with Mary and Big and Premo from the off, you have to admire the boy's confidence. That and its fun as hell, 22 twos and brooklyns finest can't help but make me smile.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link
yay! 2 more of my votes, I'm up to 5/10! only think 1 more of mine will make it tho. rip soul food/southernplayalistic/rhythmalism/2001 ;_;
― you might be a goon but what's a goon to a viking? (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link
2001! I always think of it as a 2k record, damn the name. I think it still has a chance though?
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link
:D nicely put a hoy hoy! xposts
no comment Rev - but that's a pretty good hit-rate as far as these ballots go
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Next album (last for the day) is gonna cause some sweet-ass controversy. And hopefully get a certain ILM poster explainin' and defendin' like never before
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I say this because what few ILM posts there are on the band are pretty much blanket negative, except for this dude's.
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
21 Remy Zero - Remy Zero (1996)85 points1 vote1 first-place voteGreatest contributor: Drugs A. Money
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most underrated album: Remy Zero - s/t.
― Drugs A. Money, Monday, 28 April 2008 23:23 (2 years ago)
I think Remy Zero is the polar opposite of punk.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (8 years ago)
seriously guys...Remy Zero's first album dropped a year before OK Computer, and is so much better (and was kind of a defining influence on the best-album-of-the-90s standby)
forget the Coldplay-before-Coldplay hype, that came later...first album is Southern post-rock and thrilling shoegazer with all sorts of shifting sonic textures...
― ha! (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 15 February 2010 20:33 (2 months ago)
reasonable doubt is like rap music for aristocrats at a party. ladies in white satin dresses drinking martinis, exorbitant fish tanks.
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Jay's flow on "Friend or Foe" is so conversational that the first time I heard it, I didn't even realize he was rapping until halfway through it. Also it is his scariest song, because Jay-Z was never scary because he was tough, he was scary because he was smart, and on "Friend or Foe" he hasn't out-toughed his nemesis, he's outsmarted them, which rings much truer to form than any gunplay he's ever rapped about.
― you might be a goon but what's a goon to a viking? (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
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xpost
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link
looool
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link
was not listening to 'reasonable doubt' when that picture was taken, sadly
pimpin'
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
looooooool
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
admittedly pimpin
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
who is that?xposts
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link
lo' and humbie iirc
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
lol is that samosa in the back of that pic?
― you might be a goon but what's a goon to a viking? (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link
yezir
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link
this has rather distracted from Rev's post, which is a good'un
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link
but samosa's face in that pic is about as undistilled jay-z as it gets
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:45 (fourteen years ago) link
aw, shucks
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:45 (fourteen years ago) link
um I probably mean 'distilled'. or 'undiluted'.
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link
for once words have failed lj, and all because of samosa's visage
― you might be a goon but what's a goon to a viking? (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link
even MCs get writer's block
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone got OPINIONZ on Remy Zero (or rather, the first album, because apparently they went to absolute shit afterwards)? Or are we indulging in a bit of hip-hop before the top 20 descends with wall-to-wall guitar indie?
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link
let's all just pull out our tuxedos and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs8Zb2dXsFU
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:50 (fourteen years ago) link
actually, now i think about it, has anyone else successfully done the tuxedo gangster thing before or after? i can't think of anything.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:55 (fourteen years ago) link
reasonable doubt is one of those album that i don't necessarily think about or put on very regularly, but whenever i'm listening to it i just become overwhelmed with joy and pleasure and it's like ok why exactly haven't i gottan a microchip-sized speaker implanted into my brain programmed to play this twenty four hours a day for the rest of my life yet?
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I liked the reasonable doubt blurb. Why are we all up?
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link
we are wearing tuxedos and listening to feelin it iirc
― ayo for dyao (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 6 May 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link
because i'm drunk and getting ready for working nights tomorrow. also rap music is awes.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link
also spurs became a big club again, which is important to the irish.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, May 5, 2010 5:55 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Rick Ross has totally coopted this vibe for his last couple albums but obv. doesn't do it as well.
― you might be a goon but what's a goon to a viking? (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 May 2010 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link
oh yeah, forgot the BAWSE. i think he pulls it off, not in an absolute classic way but in a kinda dope lol at least it isn't nas's escobar years.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link
ABOUT UNREST! They are Reuniting for a short tour! I am going to see them with The Ropers opening at Maxwells in Hoboken I AM SO EXCITED!
― Evan, Thursday, 6 May 2010 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Can someone post an update/rundown of the list so far please?
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:28 (fourteen years ago) link
^
____ Stereolab - Peng! (1992)____ XTC - Apple Venus, Vol. 1 (1999)100. De La Soul - Buhloone Mind State (1993)___ Fugazi - End Hits (1998)98. Crowded House - Woodface (1991)97. Sonic Youth - Washing Machine (1995)96. Björk - Debut (1993)95. Mark Eitzel - Songs of Love (1991)94. Elliott Smith - Either/Or (1997)___ The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde (1992)92. The Afghan Whigs - Black Love (1996)91. Tori Amos - From the Choirgirl Hotel (1998)90. UGK - Ridin' Dirty (1996)89. Grifters - Crappin' You Negative (1994)88. The Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I (1999)87. The Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen (1993)___ Neil Young - Harvest Moon (1992)85. Biosphere - Substrata (1997)___ Missy Elliott - Da Real World (1999)___ Mogwai - Young Team (1997)82. 2pac - All Eyez on Me (1996)81. Metallica - Metallica (1991)___ Built To Spill - Keep it Like a Secret (1999)79. A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders (1993)___ The Divine Comedy - Promenade (1994)77. The Auteurs - New Wave (1993)___ Burger/Ink - Las Vegas (1996)___ Electronic - Electronic (1991)74. Sleep - Dopesmoker (199?)___ Slowdive - Souvlaki (1993)72. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F#A#∞ (1998)71. R.E.M. - New Adventures in Hi-Fi (1996)___ Earl Brutus - Tonight You Are The Special One (1998)69. Sun City Girls - Torch of the Mystics (1990)___ Sun City Girls - 330,003 Crossdressers From the Rig Veda (1996)67. Pete Namlook - Air (1994)66. Palace Music - Lost Blues and Other Songs (1997)65. Sonny Sharrock - Ask the Ages (1991)___ Lush - Spooky (1992)63. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Return to the 36 Chambers (1995)62. Aphex Twin - I Care Because You Do (1995)___ They Might Be Giants - Flood (1990)60. Mr. Bungle - California (1999)___ Madonna - Erotica (1992)58. Gas - Königsforst (1999)57. Mouse on Mars - Autoditacker (1997)56. Sonic Youth - A Thousand Leaves (1998)___ Pizzicato Five - Happy End of the World (1997)___ Magic Hour - No Excess Is Absurd (1994)___ Nomeansno - Live and Cuddly (1991)___ Kristin Hersh - Hips and Makers (1994)___ Ground Zero - Revolutionary Pekinese Opera Ver.1.28 (1996)50. Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on a Gravel Road (1998)49. Faith No More - Angel Dust (1992)48. R.E.M. - Out of Time (1991)47. Pavement - Brighten the Corners (1997)46. Blur - 13 (1999)45. Nachtstrom - 17 Songs After Midnight (1999)44. Arvo Pärt - Te Deum (1993)43. Outkast - ATLiens (1996)42. Pavement - Wowee Zowee (1995)___ Julian Cope - Peggy Suicide (1991)40. Straitjacket Fits - Melt (1991)___ Pole - 1 (1998)38. Various Artists - Guitar Paradise of East Africa (1990)37. Slint - Spiderland (1991)36. Mansun - Six (1998)___ Suede - Dog Man Star (1994)34. Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst (1996)___ Hole - Live Through This (1994)32. Wilco - Summerteeth (1999)31. Super Furry Animals - Guerrilla (1999)30. Mobb Deep - The Infamous (1995)29. Jane's Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual (1990)28. Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante (1995)___ Superconductor - Hit Songs For Girls (1993)26. Various Artists - The Music in My Head (1998)25. Unrest - Perfect Teeth (1993)24. Burzum - Filosofem (1996)23. Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R. (1992)22. Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt (1996)21. Remy Zero - Remy Zero (1996)
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:33 (fourteen years ago) link
shanksh!
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:35 (fourteen years ago) link
so much there i've never heard, or even heard of! Definitely never even heard mention of Remy Zero. Impressed that Burzum made it so high!
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Remy Zero was a big radio rock band (with atmosphere?) for a hot minute in the mid '90s. I once got in an online flame war with one of the people (the singer, I think) over something stupid. I don't even remember what it was about now, but he's not the brightest bulb.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:41 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah their 2nd and 3rd albums each had a moderate radio hit, and the latter became the theme song to Smallville. i remember being vaguely intrigued by the single from their first album that I heard on a DGC compilation, but i never pursued them beyond that.
― ignotamus j. reilly (some dude), Thursday, 6 May 2010 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Impressed Appalled that Burzum made it so high!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 6 May 2010 13:11 (fourteen years ago) link
*disclaimer - burzum should read "filosofem", obv. no nazo!
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 6 May 2010 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link