he's not even the greatest of the fat mcs
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
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― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, it the same with me. I get that he had some talent, but what he was doing has never really clicked with me in a way some other rappers have.
(xx-post)
― Tuomas, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link
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Ok so this is just trolling, right? I can understand 'ok maybe not greatest rapper ever' but not even better than fat joe, biz markie and RAWSE?
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd rate Big Pun above him.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
E40 bitch
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
As far as fat rappers go.
Also: Vast Aire, Cee-Lo.
it sounds like everything on ready to die refined and sometimes perfected and all the new things that you've never heard him do before. there's the twisty storytelling tracks that build down into perfect payoffs ("nigga turned around holdin his daughter..."/"through all the excitement, they range got towed-- they double-parked by a hydrant"), the big puff/big tracks, the gully tracks, the slow jamz, whatever. it's amazing just to hear him rap-- like, he's perfect and most of the time it's just sort of in the back of your mind, like, "oh, he's good," but there're so many moments on it where it's like just .......... "this is perfect" and he can do anything.
― William Wiggins, Friday, 2 April 2004 06:10 (6 years ago)
Wiggy knows.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm trying to think who I think the greatest MC ever is and basically it's just reminding me that I need to go back and listen to more hip-hop.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Vast Aire? I think I need to go lie down.
he's definitely better than Fat Joe. Big Pun and Cee Lo are kinda debatable. I dunno RAWSE... Biz is an all-time great and a groundbreaker, he's kinda in a different league
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
lol what about Heavy D (The Overweight Lover)?
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
RAWSE = rick ross obv
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Vast Aire is good in the context of the CO album but the solo wasn't that great.
― I am using your worlds, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
lol forgot about him. he has some good shit!
can't forget my man Sir Mix-A-Lot
I smell a poll...
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh can't stand Rick Ross myself
Well, yeah, I haven't even heard Vast Aire's solo stuff, but on the Cannibal Ox album he certainly impressed me more than Biggie ever has.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I just spent too long looking for the thread where (I think Ethan?) was complaining about not being able to recreate Biggie's flow I and wrote "try filling your cheeks with ham"
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
oh actually maybe it was Big Pun
sounds kinda gay
xp
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Lets all buy one record we haven't heard based on this thread - would that be cool? I think that would be cool.
Done. I put the double deluxe version of Imperial f.f.r.r. on hold for $8.99. Funny I'd never heard the whole thing. I always meant to, but never got around to it. I also never bought Spiderland as I had everything on tape and got burned out on it. I'm thinking a remaster of that could pop up next year as a 20th anniversary edition. Downloaded Superconductor last night and heard it this morning, not bad.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
double deluxe version of Imperial f.f.r.r.
?? didn't even know this existed
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Biz will always be my favorite plus-sized mc.
I always like Biggie's flow, but I'm not a fan of his voice; honestly, I wish he wrote for other people. Also, hate, hate, hate the production. But I'll take Biggie any day over Jay-Z ,whom I've never warmed to in any way.
xposts
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
It's hard to say, I'm an old east coast fan, so yeah i basically roll with "Who's the Greatest? Jay-Z, Biggie, or Nas" for the most part...
it's hard one, but in some way maybe Biggie is the greatest...he's the most human of the three to me, he seems genuinely scary when jay and nas only seem like they are playacting (or balancing a ledger sheet in jay's case)...he's self-depreciating sometimes, you could tell little moments when it was clear it was hard to be fat, that kids made fun of him for it...
plus, he did genuine party jams....like he was a man of real human appetities...jay is too remote and cold, he has some party jams but he seems like the type of guy that doesn't have much fun at his own parties, he just wants his parties to be the "best"....
nas is a formalist, a hermetically sealed weirdo to the fucking bone and i love him but he's an odd person, a bizarre person really so even after all these years i never feel like i know who the guy is...(though it must be said at his peak, he crafts the most incredibly written verses just from the rhyme as high art perspetive)
jay is off the charts talented and his flow in his heyday was remarkably slippery and inventive...his bragging shit is so regal and imperial and cruel that everyone else's boasts seems pretty weak by comparison....it's no surprise he ended up as he did, an actual businessman....
but yeah biggie has more laughter, more tears, more sweat and blood...sloppier maybe at times, not as focused at jay was, maybe not as absolutely stunning at painting mental pictures as nas was, but biggie was the dude you could relate to and feel
also, he's not as explicitly showy as a rapper as either nas or jay, he never really got by on a big vocab or real elegant rakim-derived stuff...but damn, the man could phrase a fucking line in a way that would just knock you on your ass...
"our parents used to take care of us...look at 'em now: they even fuckin' scared of us"
"Birth-days was the worst days, now we sip champagne when we thir-stay"
"high as a motherfuckin' hel-i-cop-tah"
like they don't even scan as classic rhymes, they even read a little corny but the voice, the delivery, the passion...fuck man...yeah biggie is great, if you think otherwise you are just plain wrong.
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
It adds the Isobel Bishop EP and some other stuff from the same era.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
really only got into Biggie this year but I get it now; 90s hip-hop remains a gap for me (that I'm actively trying to fill, with pleasure)
― Euler, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
whoa H3lg! titanic post
The next album is SPECIAL, because it's the last album none of whose votes guaranteed it a place in the top 100
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
great post matt, some madness being talked re: biggie right above you
― jabba hands, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost to Tuomas
and yeah I LOVE Big Pun...but he's not close to Biggie as a figure in hip hop...
super talented, super tricky flows etc, but every single thing Pun did he owes to Kool G Rap, and I don't personally feel that him or Fat Joe ever really transcended that influence.
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Biggie is amazing, he's just not a personal favorite.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
as in, nobody except me KNOWS it's about to appear!
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
18 Autechre - LP5 (1998)87 points7 votes1 first-place voteGreatest contributor: another al3x
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fucking classic
― cutty, Saturday, 10 November 2007 13:34 (2 years ago)
Maybe my favourite IDM album.
― the next grozart, Sunday, 11 November 2007 06:20 (2 years ago)
Fold 4, Wrap5 is what time travel sounds like. Brilliant.
― Loader, Saturday, 10 November 2007 18:12 (2 years ago)
autechre would've been godhead if they retired after LP5.LP5 would've been pristine if not for the hidden track.
― Sir Leee (Leee), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:48 (6 years ago)
I think, as an album, my pick for moving electronic music would be Autechre's LP5.
A thesis could be written on this album! It’s totally pure computer music. It’s faceless and inhuman, but at the same time darkly emotional. The CD artwork communicates this feeling too. If you listen to it alone late at night you feel like Autechre is a computer struggling to communicate with you.
― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:42 (5 years ago)
autechre, LP5, on a decent soundsystem or good headphones, with acid or mushrooms. you won't believe your ears....
― heywood jablomi (heywood), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 22:56 (5 years ago)
having said that, i just stuck on lp5 and half of it is straight electro bangers in a leaner gescom style, and the rest is big simple bewitching toybox melodies and then 'rae', the soppiest ballad they ever did.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:30 (2 years ago)
i mean, fuck, they're basically total b-boys at the end of the day.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:34 (2 years ago)
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
like, I'm never going to argue with anyone who says he's the best of all-time because he deserves serious consideration for it, whereas I love my own personal fave to likely unreasonable heights but I could see why ppl wouldn't put him on the list
(Q-Tip)
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i dunno, man the whole "Greatest MC" thing is tough...there's so many brilliant MCs it's hard for me to pick one
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, also true; so many ppl doing wildly different things, it's hard to compare them
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
back to Biggie...that's why I think he's the only one where the violence in his stuff, esp. against women actually can BOTHER me...like with Jay and Nas I just feel like the humans are chess pieces in the rhyme....with Biggie there's a genuine hurt and anger that's disturbing at times.
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 16:44 (6 minutes ago)
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
post it again, I don't think anyone noticed
So good it deserves to be posted twice
― I am using your worlds, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Life After Death- It really is on another level. Top 10 albums of all time. It's not even perfect, but the highs are so good that you can deal with boring 112 songs or whatever.
Somebody's Gotta Die is such a perfect way to start the album. Like I said w/ Reasonable Doubt - he potentially throws it all away just to avenge his man. But it's not just that, I don't think anyone else did off the cuff characterisation as Big did, 'see niggas like you do ten year bids, miss the nigga they want, murder innocent kids' and then to pull it around with Jason holding his daughter as a shield. It's fucking epic, it's fucking scary. No other gangster rap was so personal. I mean sure this was post 'lol i'm 2pac and i've called you fat and i had sex w/ faith lol' but Big was saying he doesn't care about the situation, he is ruthless. It's fucking scary and this is even in a complete song w/ lols and punclines (dreaming of how to sell records like snoop, oops!)
But fuck it, y'all prefer Vast Aire for being the second best mc in CoFlow. It's like preferring Juno to a Heat/Godfather 2 double bill. Taking myself out of the alternative 90s 100 before I sb everyone.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost Sorry LJ i got shit to say.
and back to Nas for a minute:
I always thought this "diss" from The Takeover by Jay actually kinda summed up what I loved about Nas:
Nigga; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks padYou scribbled in your notepad and created your life
that's how I imagine Nas, a weird quiet kid living in QB that didn't really roll with the hardrocks but just sat back and watched, committing the whole scene to memory, then spit it back as these fracture, poetic pictures of that life that meant more and said more about it than anything that the guys who actually lived through it could say
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
whoa, he's trying to simulate Autechre's music in his postings, via recursion!
― Euler, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
yay autechre
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, yeah, I haven't even heard Vast Aire's solo stuff, but on the Cannibal Ox album he certainly impressed me more than Biggie ever has.― Tuomas, Thursday, May 6, 2010 3:36 PM (13 minutes ago)
― Tuomas, Thursday, May 6, 2010 3:36 PM (13 minutes ago)
i am caught halfway between lololololol and O_O xposts
― HUMAN VELOCIPEDE (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
lp5 has been sat on my harddrive for about a year now unlistened, may check it out :)
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
(is it weird that that LP5 came out at the height of my IDM fandom and I never bothered getting it?)
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
actually given time to reflect i have settled into t (o _ O t)
― HUMAN VELOCIPEDE (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
it's cool, just tryin' to keep control
proceed with the biggie talk, it's illuminating
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link