Loaded vs. American Beauty

lol our generation obviously

Well that's a poor excuse for a generation in that case!

it's funny, i think the next thing I heard after hearing New York was VU & Nico, and I was pretty convinced that Lou Reed was not the lead singer on stuff like "Sunday Morning" ...

man....i like freedom and all but that's an album where the highlights are so high they trick you into thinking its better than it is...

plus the production on that is not real great IMO, still too 80s for neil

Well "Sunday Morning" was sped up to make his voice seem more feminine, wasn't it? LOL more feminine than Nico, not so hard. (xp)

yeah, but I think even on things like "Run Run Run" I was unsure as to whether that was the same dude singing on New York

xxxxp obv the generation who bought New York in 1989...

this might've been right around the time that I first heard of Lou actually...is this kind of concurrent with the whole Vaclav Havel/Velvet Revolution thingy...

Because he sang in those days instead of recited? (xp)

i like freedom and all but that's an album where the highlights are so high they trick you into thinking its better than it is...
kinda true, though I love Freedom. most of the great songs on it are from the 70s though!

LOL at the Sunday Morning comments...I spent years trying to deduce who was singing? was it Nico? Moe? Couldn't be Lou, could it?

(actually m@tt and tylerw OTm abt Freedom...)

man....i like freedom and all but that's an album where the highlights are so high they trick you into thinking its better than it is...

eh maybe - I was diggin it recently and just struck by some of the willfully UGLY stuff on it, the blasts of noise in No More, for ex., or the perfect, unbelievable bitterness in Rockin' in the Free World. and then oh hey here's a pretty little ballad with Linda Ronstadt. Love ya Neil!

the drums kinda sound like shit, I'll give you that

LOL at the Sunday Morning comments...I spent years trying to deduce who was singing? was it Nico? Moe? Couldn't be Lou, could it?

It was Lou impersonating Doug Yule before he'd even met him

however, Freedom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New York. Freedom is such a great album.

cosign

I was stoked for New York but blown away by Freedom

Freedom's good but I connected more to Ragged Glory

Freedom's at least half of a perfect album...which is a far cry from After the Gold Rush and On the Beach and Rust Never Sleeps, but heads and shoulders above anything else he did in the 80s (& prolley New York too)...

i kept fucking up a lot back then

... careful, you're talking to a "Trans" fan here (xp)

so what guys? we gonna have a Freedom vs. New York poll (throw in Steel Wheels while youre at it)

yeah Trans is next level. Ragged Glory is great, certainly sonically its better than Freedom, but I think the latter actually has the better songs, for the most part. nothing on Ragged Glory is as great as Rockin in the Free World.

Oh Mercy or whatever Dylan album was supposed to good at the time (xp)

oh mercy is good, if not great. i might pick that one over all of these boomer comeback records ...

I love Trans
but Neil wussed out...he should have released the synth/vocorder stuff as a standalone EP and not put on the "regular" rock tunes IMO

eh he should've recorded a full album of the synth/vocoder stuff imho. the regular rock tunes are out of place, agreed on that point

shit maybe he DID record a full album of the synth/vocorder stuff and we'll see it on Archives Vol. 3 when i am in an old folks home

yeah, i think there's a good amount of unreleased techno neil. gonna blow some MINDS. dads everywhere going: "THAT'S how yo do it!"

Freedom sounds a little thin but I'd cut nothing save maybe "No More" for its slightly dopey chimey guitar riff in the chorus.

I wish he'd put out a 20th anniversary version with the Eldorado EP plus whatever other crazy noise he was probably goofing with at the time. Archive 5 maybe?

xps
For boomer comebacks of the late 80's, would be hard to beat Graceland

gonna blow some MINDS. dads everywhere going: "THAT'S how yo do it!"

lol

*knuckle bump*

For boomer comebacks of the late 80's, would be hard to beat Graceland

making a comeback is easy when it involves taking credit for other peoples' work

(not that I'm arguing - Graceland is better than everything mentioned on this thread so far, except for maybe Loaded)

Freedom has that song with the yucky synth chimes that's the only real dog.

Really love "Over and Over" and "Fuckin' Up" from RG.

yeah those are the two high points of RG.

Farmer John is fun too

haha Alfred, you're thinking of "Someday" I think? with the chain gang grunts also? pretty sure that's the one you have in mind...it is not a great song.

btw Shakey I saw what you did to Paul Simon there. But it ain't the proper thread.

80's neil made me go buy every neil album. new york made me want to stop listening to all the lou albums i owned.

i actually like the song "someday" but, yeah, questionable production there. some kinda bluenotes left over thing happening w/ those backup vocals?

yeah, it's also kind of a prelude to Are You Passionate?, in that it's a song Neil doesn't really have the right pipes for

or freedom/ragged glory 1989/1990 neil made me want to.

Boomer comebacks 87-89:
Graceland
Freedom
Oh Mercy
Traveling Wilburys
Permanent Vacation
Steel Wheels

what else?

btw Shakey I saw what you did to Paul Simon there. But it ain't the proper thread.

haha yeah I'm being a little challopsy but there's some grain of truth there (and we've discussed it elsewhere). Certainly Neil, Lou, and Bob didn't draw on the same kind of resources Simon did for Graceland - a LOT of people's stuff went into the making of that record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmT6udys8Tc

I thought that the drumming was way more boring on Ragged Glory than on Freedom. I swear to God that every song seemed to be at the same tempo on Ragged Glory. "Over and Over" indeed.

ragged glory was awesome.

I still liked it a lot, but liked Freedom more.

can we count Cosmic Thing in that list? (even though they're punk & not boomer lol)

there's also George Harrison's Cloud 9

ugh not a good one