LAY OFF NATALIE MERCHANT

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Yr first mistake is respecting my taste.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Couldn't stay away. Did you miss me?

nabisco, I was with you on those two My Favorite threads, if nothing else.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

MIA threads touched
With the hand of Geir Hongro
American Idol stars
All mocked by Strongo
Marissa Merchants
All out of their heads
These are a few
Of my favorite threads...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

When Momus types
When ddrake writes
When Alex goes mad
I simply remember my favorite threads
And then I must feel my nads

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

nabisco + crystal shit = brilliant

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

That I laughed out loud at these song lyrics is probably a cry for help.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I interned for Bar/None Records in the summer of '99 and their big release was the second 10K Maniacs album after Natalie Merchant left the band (can't remember the title, something with "The World" in it?). It was a very depressing experience calling all these venues and media outlets while they were on tour and talking to people with absolutely no interest in a band that had been huge like five years before.
I guess that had nothing to do with Natalie Merchant, so I'll also say this: I really liked "Our Time In Eden" when I was in middle school. I still think "Candy Everybody Wants" is catchy. Isn't it?

goodoldneon (goodoldneon), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh, that second post-natalie album was unlistenably dull. i think i played it through exactly once and sold it. and i liked the first one!

my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

but yeah, i hear what you're saying. i knew it was the end when i saw a listing for a bar gig they were playing on a monday night, and they were OPENING.

my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

One last thing I just realized: Natalie Merchant is the American girl-Morrissey! Consider:

1. They have similar singing voices -- a low boomy range that projects out over the whole mix.

2. They have similar quirks of diction, both in terms of enunciation and word-choice -- see "Katrina's Fair" for the line "a journal laced with sedimentary prose," which is all-Morrissey and delivered like it, too. (Conversely, imagine 10,000 Maniacs covering "Ask.")

3. They both write abnormally character-based songs about one type of character -- Morrissey's teenage thugs and Merchant's human-interest cases.

4. They're both obsessed with the working class of the middle of the 20th century -- Morrissey's kitchen-sink and teakettle Englishness, Merchant's Catholic-immigrant union-worker upstate-NYness.

5. Merchant had a personal assistant named Morrissey, Morrissey had a personal assistant named Merchant.

6. "Hateful Hate" = "Meat is Murder," overblown to the point of camp, except that Morrissey cares about cattle and Merchant cares about Africans.

7. Both were rumored, during my freshman year of high school, to be sleeping with Michael Stipe.

8. I admit that Brittle Lemon is right about "if you don't mind / I will beat on your behind" not being quite as good as "a crack on the head / is what you get for (not) asking."

9. Both started off from a point of seeming totally sheltered and bookish and awkward and virginal, and writing in a way often described as "pretentious" about their bedroom enthusiasms. Merchant went to college and therefore obsessed about bookish things (you can seriously figure out her course schedule from the Hope Chest lyrics; hello song-about-De-Chirico), whereas Morrissey, to my knowledge, stayed home and therefore mostly thought about sex and his mother and sex with his mother.

10. Their last names both start with M / I freakin' said so.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I just realized that the "10km" band that Jody keeps talking about on this thread is 10,000 Maniacs. I was reading it as 10 Kilometers.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

5. Merchant had a personal assistant named Morrissey, Morrissey had a personal assistant named Merchant.

Hahahahahaha

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Totally OTM re Morrissey/Merchant except for sense of humor.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 August 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Merchant went to college

yeah, community college!

my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i suspect i wouldn't be so intrigued by merchant if she actually did go to posh private schools and such. it's great that she doesn't quite fit the "sheltered & over-educated" stereotype.

my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i also like that in spite of her singing about dismal working-class areas, she didn't neglect to point out all the beautiful idyllic stuff growing up through the cracks in the sidewalk. morrissey wouldn't have done that.

my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"her singing about dismal working-class areas"

while at the same time showing very little comprehension and a heap of self righteousness.

cue "Gun Shy" from In My Tribe.

Dr. Walter Freeman (Grodd), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

To be mean, I unearthed my vinyl copy of Blind Man's Zoo and played the second side. Lord God Almighty, does "Hateful Hate" stink something awful. It's worse than awful; it come close to exploitation. The choice of a Serious Subject (the slave trade), right out of a high school junior's notebook; Merchant's swank, precious enunciations (imagine Katherine Hepburn singing "Strange Fruit"); blaming CURIOSITY, CURIOSITY; the freakin' tribal drums at the outro. This track conjures images of Lil Natalie at a middle school play, wearing "exotic" tribal makeup and chanting. It's worse than Miami Sound Machine warning us that rhythm is gonna getcha; at least Gloria knew whereof she spoke. This excrescence is an example of why some whites feel they need to pay reparations to slaves.

*goes to cry bitterly*

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

This excrescence is an example of why some whites feel they need to pay reparations to slaves. - um i know that ilx is lurching rightward more and more by the day but still WTF?????


blind man's zoo is pretty awful though, it + traumatic experience meeting her totally outweighing what fond feelings i felt towards 'like the weather' or those late era tunes that probably remind me of clinton coming into office more than anything (except 'don't stop' maybe).

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

that's true, james. I can't listen to "These Are Days" without thinking of spring '93. I was just starting college.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

to sir with love!

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to say, one of my coworkers played Jewel's "Pieces Of You" for a bunch of us today and after that, Natalie Merchant doesn't seem quite so bad.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

while at the same time showing very little comprehension

what the hell do you know? who are you, anyway?

my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I always found it somewhat horrifying that she slept with Mike Stipe.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, who wouldn't?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

man you could open a dairy between jewel and nat merchant

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

o god what was the jewel song about, um, bigotry with the 'faggottt' and 'jewww' refrain? ie. the most natalie merchant moment jewel ever had - what's the name? looking to dl (jody gmail it to me maybe?)

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"Pieces Of Me"! Hence my previous post.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, "Pieces Of You" I meant. Ashlee so kicks Jewel's ass in that Taking Sides.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link

SWEET JESUS - IT WAS THE TITLE TRACK???

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link

don't look at me blount, i won't let a jewel mp3 within 50 miles of my computer.

my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

My browser is currently trying to stop me from posting the lyrics... BUT I WILL PREVAIL:

She's an ugly girl, does it make you want to kill her?
She's an ugly girl, do you want to kick in her face?
She's an ugly girl, she doesn't pose a threat.
She's an ugly girl, does that make you feel safe?
Ugly girl, ugly girl, do you hate her
Cause she's pieces of you?

She's a pretty girl, does she make you think nasty thoughts?
She's a pretty girl, do you want to tie her down?
She's a pretty girl, do you call her a bitch?
She's a pretty girl, did she sleep with your whole town?
Pretty girl, pretty girl, do you hate her
Cause she's pieces of you?

You say he's a faggot, does it make you want to hurt him?
You say he's a faggot, do you want to bash in his brain?
You say he's a faggot, does he make you sick to your stomach?
You say he's a faggot, are you afraid you're just the same?
Faggot, Faggot, do you hate him
Cause he's pieces of you?

You say he's a Jew, does it mean that he's tight?
You say he's a Jew, do you want to hurt his kids tonight?
You say he's a Jew, he'll never wear that funny hat again.
You say he's a Jew as though being born were a sin.
Oh Jew, oh Jew, do you hate him
Cause he's pieces of you?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

You say he's a Jew, he'll never wear that funny hat again.

The Ghost of Black Giggletits (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:32 (eighteen years ago) link

my fave moment of the starr report - when bill gives monica leaves of grass and monica returns the favor by giving him the fucking jewel poetry book. (haha *cue 'to sir with love'*)

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

jody gmail me that jewel track plz. don't front girl!

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

blount what are Nat's teeth like? Better'n Jewell's?

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I CAN'T lay her off! she's not workin' for me, OKAY?

donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeesh, since when has this much of ilM ever given a shit about lyrical content? I'm fucking amazed.

Oh God, that Jewel song -- how did my mother manage to listen to that crap? Oh yeah, I remember, impressionable influence from ex-boyfriend. Before 1997 she used to make fun of Jewel.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Why. Why was that FUCKING JEWEL SONG brought up again at any point in my life?

I must now slay humanity.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

ned gmail that jewel track

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

You think I have that thing stinking up my hard drive?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

you've smelt your hard drive???

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link

With my mind.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

BLOUNT I GOTS IT ON MY HARD DRIVE.

You still want it?

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

slide a po man a pringle jingle

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

oh SHIT. I just realized that I only have the singles off that album. the rest I deleted to save hard drive space. sorrrrrrrryyyyyyy.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

That Jewel track is in no way Merchant-like! Obviously later-period Merchant would have written the whole track from the perspective of an elderly orthodox Jew riding a bus through Brooklyn and thinking back on the people and figures from his western-Polish boyhood; it would have had a whole metaphor about a tree with its branches cut off. If she'd written it in college it would have been a string of phrases culled from Primo Levi books, plus a lot of stuff about massacres and inhumanity. Have you people learned nothing from this thread?

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I've learned that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeesh, since when has this much of ilM ever given a shit about lyrical content?

I quote one review that mentions lyrics, triggering a back-and-forth about the merit of those particular lyrics, and now ILM gives a shit about lyrical content as a whole? Wow!

I am so so so proud of Dan's new handle it isn't even funny.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

during their clintonoid blowup everyone went on abt how she "got hot" (remember that RS cover? quite a bob!). what this non-hot period was that she/they had got out from i had no idea, good lord.

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link


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