also waka flocka has a legitimate rap career solely because he was gucci's understudy, which is a classic sign of influence & popularity in rap music
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
so absolutely noone cares unless they read the rolling ringtone thread or write for the guardian.
lol otm
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
US rappers who do shiny bouncy shite are pretty huge atm - flo rida, t.i. thanks to "live your life" &c
also insert missy elliott and kanye west being two of the most popular US rappers in the UK, thanks largely to their sui generis nature
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
forgot missy exists :( also cannot see anyone care for anything kanye does anytime soon tbh
do <3 that busta was like the biggest rapper in uk popularity for like a year, gives me hope for the future
― samuel :D (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
is t.i. actually huge though? maybe. it could just be a personal thing in that the ppl i know irl didn't give a shit abt 'king' or anything
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Jay-Z Vol 3 is a guy coming off of a 4x platinum album and having a hit on the scale of "Big Pimpin'." there are no download statistics or regional radio spins you can wave around for Gucci that are comparable to that.
― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:48 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
because no one goes platinum any more!!
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:07 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fucking C-Murder went multi plat, if you dont think gucci's selling at least that many copies you're crazy!
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:08 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course Gucci's a bigger star than C-Murder ever was and of course it was easier to sell big numbers back then...but you said he's as big as Jay shortly after Hard Knock Life, which is insane.
― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno theres this bizarre subset of rap songs that crossed over in the uk. like you can go out to a random club in any county town and they will regularly drop 'gravel pit' or something
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't get this whole "noone listens to rap anymore" thing. EVERYONE under 40 pretty much listens to rap, possibly far more than in the '90s, even if it's just big singles or cheesy crossover artists that you don't consider real rap.
― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i know there's always gonna be a core of corny white people who are totally isolated from rap but i don't feel like that percentage of the music audience is any bigger than it ever was.
he wasn't big circa king (though "what you know" has become pretty accepted/known as canon due to DJs still playing it all the time), it was "live your life" that broke him and "dead and gone" that consolidated - who knows whether people will care about king uncaged, but the foundation's there now. might be an interesting litmus test of the extent of gangsta the UK public can get into.
xps
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
also waka flocka has a legitimate rap career solely because he was gucci's understudy
for real? i had zero idea that anyone really gave a shit about wacka flocka outside of a couple songs, i guess i thought he was like...i dunno...maino or kia shine level
― it's detlef season, you schrempfs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i can see gucci being huge in chicago. tbf, it is a big "pitchfork town" with drag city and thrill jockey and numero group and everything. i think bands like fucking champs and oxxes are regarded as pop stars in chicago too
― Vuvuzola Jesus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
like you can go out to a random club in any county town and they will regularly drop 'gravel pit' or something
ha yeah!
also, b.o.b. got a UK no 1 the other week o_0
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
"o let's do it" was a legit hit, and he gets more respect in the rap world i think than those guys ever did, but maybe it's just a subset of rappers cosigning antyhing that is hot theory
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
go england! :) :) :)
i think bands like fucking champs and oxxes are regarded as pop stars in chicago too
hahahahaha oh no u didn't....whiney will u just make me happy and say that powerhouse sound is bigger than gucci mane?
― it's detlef season, you schrempfs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahahahahahahaha
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
fyi: oxxxes never even played a joint bigger than big vs in mpls and we eat that shit UP here
― it's detlef season, you schrempfs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i think pelican regularly sells out the Empty Bottle, so Gucci could prolly do the same
― Vuvuzola Jesus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
his new song with earthless is pretty good tbh
― it's detlef season, you schrempfs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
ha yeah <3 that you can go out on a friday night and still expect to hear say dead prez's hiphop or any busta single or dmx or whatever xposts
― samuel :D (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney can you not help but be an asshole?
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Oxes were a 'big deal' in Baltimore but in an era when no rock band from Baltimore was genuinely a big deal in any meaningful sense
― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
we're actually having a legit conversation here, save your self-hating deej zings for when it's only you too throwing wet paper towel balls at each other
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
you two
oxxxes were fucking great live, they ran all over the fucking place cuz they had wireless units on, super fun, love the first (?) album where the cover is them at some business meeting
― it's detlef season, you schrempfs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Now I’m rich as a republican stay flyer than pelicanI’m ridin’ in my new yellow Benz with yellow rims and yellow tint
http://soundcloud.com/hoodinternet/the-hood-internet-pillz-between-the-wallz-gucci-mane-x-pelican/comments
― Vuvuzola Jesus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
this tangent is almost as boring as when sam and lex started about what rappers are popular in the uk
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
weird, i guess from afar i figure lungfish was big
wasn't clutch from bodymore murderland?
― it's detlef season, you schrempfs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
was the whole oxes album art thing a huge gossipy thing in baltimore at its time?
― Vuvuzola Jesus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Clutch are kind of from a wierd rural Maryland no man's land, wouldn't make sense for any major city to claim them it feels like
j0rdan, deej totally picked a fight w/ whiney and pretty much invited him to come on this thread and crack jokes, i don't blame whiney at all for taking the bait for once
― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't feel like it was any more gossipy here than just on the net in general, but i don't really know many people around the rock scene at that time.
"for once"???
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
y'all wanna figure out who is popular, see who fucking makes it out of yr third world country
― samuel :D (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you mean, "for once, this week"
haha yeah let's get some UK/US sniping on this just to make it all complete
― Q and Not Gucci (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
fyi, j0rdan, if you go back to when i said i would stop the whiney/deej gucci beef, I had kept that promise. deej is the one who did the "warriors come out and play" bit with me, so you can blame him, ya asshole
― Vuvuzola Jesus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i always blame deej!
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
was just talking abt my personal experience of ppl liking or not liking american rappers! sorry for living in the uk ffs! back the gucci-pitchfork saga then
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
anything to stop the fucking whiney deej handbags. i once ate a pizza with sweetcorn on guyz!
― samuel :D (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
tpp the gravel pit thing warmed my heart thanking u! :)
― Q and Not Gucci (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/2hzr39l.gif
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― Vuvuzola Jesus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:33 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
tbf pretty sure this is the first time whiney g has made gucci=hipster lol remarks where it was actually trolling & not on a serious "the only ppl who like gucci are hipsters!!!" disconnected bs
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
― ripe dink (some dude), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i picked on his lame 'review' i didnt say anything about 'hipsters'
― blap...tremendo (deej), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
neither did he except obliquely as a joke
― ripe dink (some dude), Thursday, 1 July 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes he always takes the bait, i meant that for once i'm not mad at dude for it because deej was dickish with the way he brought it up
― ripe dink (some dude), Thursday, 1 July 2010 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
rtc i need to get on rss feed you get your amazing gifs from
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Thursday, 1 July 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
get on whatever rss feed
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Thursday, 1 July 2010 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link
so tom b. wrote a pfork review of the mixtape -- in the scale of pfork rap scores it got a pretty great rating, but i wonder why tom always insists on making a point of what he perceives to be gucci's "stupidity", or at least the "stupidity" of his punchlines -- i'm not accusing him of being an actual racist or a region racist, as tom's writing on southern rap speaks for itself, but his gucci reviews almost function as the snake eating its own tail (maybe two steps forward and one step back would be a better analogy!) -- obv he has to write these reviews knowing that there's still a segment of people (rap fans and normal pfork readers alike) that think that gucci (and any southern rapper in his ilk) is a joke, and of course tom mentions this in his review, and yet he still seems to hedge his bets by flogging this worthless "stupidly awesome..... OR IS IT AWESOMELY STUPID?" bit and quoting lines from the tape that are gucci at his most crass -- the cassanova/bend ya ova and twitpic/dick lines work in the context of the album as gucci goofing around and puffing his chest out, but in the context of a pitchfork review it represents that sort of "one step back", where he sets a tone in the review of, and explicitly says, "gucci is a seriously great rapper! everyone should take him seriously!" but takes out of context quotes that reinforces the exact stereotype that he is trying to dismantle the review -- i don't see why, for instance, he quotes lines illustrating gucci's "non-illmatic levels of insight" (this almost reads as a concession to the current patrin/wale era of pfork rap coverage) but doesn't quote the myriad lines where gucci displays the ability to "jam as many syllables as possible into a quick-rewind clump" or whatever
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 07:56 (thirteen years ago) link
trying to dismantle IN the review
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 08:06 (thirteen years ago) link
just want to say thx for all the transcriptions upthread jordan. they ~enhanced~ my experience of listening to this tremendously.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 08:26 (thirteen years ago) link