we're totally on the same page: the very first time i heard kate bush i heard the work of genius. i've heard tori amos countless times and have never ever been drawn into her music
― tori anus (LOLK), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @ the notion that people outside ILM have to have this hyperdetailed, aspie-level perception of similarities between musical artists or else they're LOLable
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think anybody really said that in the span of this conversation. i think all that was suggested is that Hounds of Love and Aerial are 2 albums that are pretty different than "tori amos."
but i guess not to a lot of people LOL
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
:D
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
They *are* very different, I agree; but "brings to mind Tori Amos" isn't equal to "reducing" the album to "is a direct Tori fascimile" and isn't that ludicrous a statement considering the obvious signifiers involved, really.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link
...especially coming from soneone who might not be as invested in analyzing & discussing music as some of the people here.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know what the last part of your statement means, really
but the original statement was actually "just brings to mind Tori Amos"
the "just" means a lot there, and it's pretty LOLable
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
That the statement "just brings to mind Tori Amos" coming from someone who isn't invested in analyzing music so much isn't ludicrous as a casual remark. But w/e.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
no, it's not ludicrous. and i didn't say it was. i just said it made me laugh.
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link
ok. fine. to be completely honest, to hear this album and think "just brings to mind tori amos" does seem kind of ludicrous. purely on a sonic level. the insturmentation, the style. i can understand hearing a parallel, but for that to be your only reaction (which is what "just" suggests) is odd to me. not insulting, not annoying, just odd.
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not a kate snob, and i don't retaliate against tori analogies with the venom a lot of other people do. i just find it bizarre.
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link
did you know that "just" is the most used word in the written english language?
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Probably, and that even makes her statement LESS definitive than you're perceiving it to be. :)
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link
not really. the "just" in that statement is pretty clearly used to mean "only."
i think it's rather silly for you to assume that i'm one of those people who looks down on those who so much as mention tori in the context of a kate bush conversation. never have been. i just find this particular observation off the mark.
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
lol surm, I see what you did there
― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
lol i don't even know what i did, i just know it's 5pm and i'm arguing with ppl on the internet
look, this is one of her 2 masterpieces - i think it's fairly understandable and innocuous for someone to perceive the statement "eh just reminds me of tori amos" as sort of loopy. (yes i took my liberties with the "eh" but whatever). that's about it.
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Well I gotta jet, but I do sincerely hope the unquestionable brilliance of this album isn't further toyed with by the unwashed masses.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
ahhhahahahahahahahahahahaha you really are missing the point aren't u
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
it's like u decided to get annoyed at me for taking a stance that i'm not even taking.
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
"Cloudbusting" is still such a great song.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Props to Turangalila for repping for Mrs. McBB, who indeed couldn't care less what you lot LOL at. She's a good sport with all the nonsense I make her listen to, and even quite likes some of it, INCLUDING KATE BUSH. Only on ILM would such an innocuous remark cause such a stir...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't expect her to care about what i find funny. if she did, i would be worried about you, and your wife. i was making a very simple point, not to be lumped in with the protests of Kate/Tori analogy haters everywhere. Turangalila, in a characteristic move, decided to get uppity about something that was more forgettable than he painted it to be. I do not claim that this album is too brilliant for reproach, and I do not think it's above comparisons made from a distance. I was merely expressing an opinion, one no more or less valuable than your wife's. After all, i am a firm believer in the perspective of the non-expert in any given arena (in this case, Mrs McBB, an avid mainstream-ist), and sometimes find such perspectives even more valuable than those entrenched in the field.
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
After all, i am a firm believer in the perspective of the non-expert in any given arena (in this case, Mrs McBB, an avid mainstream-ist), and sometimes find such perspectives even more valuable than those entrenched in the field.
This is a very good point. Given how little I've listened to pop over the last 20 years it's useful to hear folks with a different perspective comment on some of the things I listen to - it sometimes makes me reconsider my opinions.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link
sorry for all the words T. <3 u now and forever
― janice (surm), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link
i love what happened here
― cutty, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link
wow you guys can really be dicks about kate bush
― hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link
also if you don't the average person would think kate bush was kinda like tori amos, as opposed to being more like, say, ac/dc or levert or georgia satellites or ma$e or miles davis or mahler or the strokes or boards of canada, well, yr wrong....they are gonna think...woah gothy witchy type chick who can sing crazy
― hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link
true, true.
― janice (surm), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link
nothing wrong with that. i've just never really heard it.
― janice (surm), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
kate is 1000000x better obv but that's what i thought when i first heard her cuz i guess tori was just more of a big artist when i was in HS and college and you didn't hear much kate bush in the u.s.
― hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
lol u young
or wait, am I old?
;_;
― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
kate is 1000000x better obv
noooooo not obv
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
YES
― abstract sand patterns, representing water (corey), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
NO
― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:42 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait? i thought we were around the same age...her first album wiki sez was 92, i graduated in 93
― hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I graduated in 91 but was all up in Kate Bush's grill from when Hounds of Love came out in 86.
― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Hi! Can we talk about how good some of the B-sides are?
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Under the Ivy is one of my favorite KT songs.
― abstract sand patterns, representing water (corey), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i've never heard it :/
― janice (surm), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaUgi1AzC0
― abstract sand patterns, representing water (corey), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry about the shitty video though.
― abstract sand patterns, representing water (corey), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i love "be kind to my mistakes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaB8eUDkiX4
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Love them both.
― Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a 'the dreaming'-era b-side but i love her version of 'lord of the reedy river'
― "slapsie" (donna rouge), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link
― janice (surm), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 13:23 (3 hours ago) Permalink
My apologies, too. There is certainly no hostility between us. I get a little carried away in responding sometimes.
― silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link
haha! AND I DON'T
― janice (surm), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link
will listen to these b-sides as soon as my coworker turns off phil collins radio
― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:27 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
probably just the difference between growing up in way southern minnesota and the relatively "cosmopolitan" hastings...
― hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
oooooooooo i just know that something good is gonna happen
― OK (LOLK), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link