the whole thing comes off as a humorless bore of self-loathing.
Oh man, seriously Dulli can be the funniest fucker in the world sometimes imo. xp
― Chaim Poutine (NickB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Well like I said, I'm not getting it. Keep in mind Gentlemen is my only exposure.
― FRESH MEAT (MFB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno how anyone can hear "what jail is like" and not hear a dumptruck-sized dose of self-loathing. i'm not saying dulli's *not* a misogynist -- getting a woman to sing the album's most self-debasing song? -- but he is more complex than being *just* a misogynist.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't say Dulli's a misogynist at all. There's a mean humorous streak running through a ton of his work. Everything from "Be Sweet" to "John the Baptist" to his cover of Mary J. Blige's "Real Love" is filled with it.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
He does do a lot of the obnoxious tough-guy asshole act, but underneath you can tell that he's really secretly an obnoxious weak-guy asshole. I do love him though.
― Chaim Poutine (NickB), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.kalamu.com/bol/wp-content/content/images/maggot%20brain%20cover.jpg
I have to confess I never understood why "Maggot Brain" was considered such a classic. It starts with a nice enough guitar solo, and ends with a decent groove and some funny sound effects, and between them are several vignettes of funk songs which haven't got the time to develop properly, and which have some bland group vocals. Didn't this band a have proper vocalist, or why does it sound like the whole band is shouting (pretty discordantly) on every tune with vocals?
Okay, I do understand why the guitar solo is considered great by those people who care a lot about guitar solos, but is one solo plus the funny noises enough to make an album classic?
― Tuomas, Monday, 17 January 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
one solo plus the funny noises
Most hilarious reduction of an entire album I've ever read.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, that's pretty much all I remember of the album (I haven't listened to it since I bought it). Nothing else on it was that memorable.
― Tuomas, Monday, 17 January 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not like hugely crazy about the album but "can you get to that" is top ten songs ever.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 January 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
joni mitchelltom waits
there must be an obvious classic album for each of these but the stuff ive heard is distinctly not knocking me out one jot. i like some tom waits but a whole album? oyyyy.
― piscesx, Monday, 17 January 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I would agree with you on Joni Mitchell's Blue but it clicked recently after 10 years of trying.
― 전승 Complete Victory (in Battle) (NotEnough), Monday, 17 January 2011 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
if at first you don't succeed...
― Gukbe, Monday, 17 January 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― difficult listening hour, Monday, January 17, 2011 11:34 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark
^yes.
Tom Waits though. Still haven't managed to get to that.
― ________ (will), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't want to derail the thread (as mentioning this album often does) but I don't see what seperates In the Aeroplane over the Sea from like a dozen other indie/folk/pop/whatever albums. To me it's a solid album with some great tracks ("Holland 1945", "Ghost", and "Untitled") but as a whole I don't get the whole aethestic of acoustic guitar over VERY LOUD SINGING.
― frogbs, Monday, 17 January 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
dude i know aerosmith is banned but have a heart
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't get My Bloody Valentine, Neutral Milk Hotel, or Pavement -- basically the 90s indie canon is totally unremarkable to me
― Mordy, Monday, 17 January 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoa, aerosmith is banned? How come?
― original bgm, Monday, 17 January 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
The Geffen Records years
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Monday, 17 January 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
self-banned iirc
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah.
And major lolz at that x-post.
― original bgm, Monday, 17 January 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
You can add me to the NMH-not-getters tbh. I even like a few other E6 bands, but not them.
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Monday, 17 January 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
is there a 'What happened to ________?' thread?
― some hills are never seen (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 17 January 2011 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Count me in the not getting the NMH cult camp too. I mean, both albums are pretty solid (though I think the first one is slightly better), but I don't understand how especially that second record garners all this "OMG Jeff Mangum is a GENIUS and AEROPLANE is the BEST RECORD EVER" gushing.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 January 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm usually always knocked out by classic records when i hear them
i respect the canon more than anyone i think
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost in my experience, once you accept the love for Jesus K.Rist it's all gold
and Tom Waits - Rain Dogs ftw imo
PS im Nick Canon too. totally respect the context/history along with the sound and feel like it's a personal challenge to expand my taste if I don't 'get' something that's considered classic. not so much w/ other mediums but def music
― Mangrove Earthshoe (herb albert), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
what I hate is the moment you admit you don't like an album in the canon to someone who is a huge fan, and they go "wtf? you need to listen to it again!"
thanks, never considered that was the problem all along, not listening to an album I don't like enough.
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I like NMH but I am curious as to how Aeroplane took off into this massive cult classic 5+ years after release - I know it was pretty well thought of among US indie fans in the late 90s but they were never even the most known E6 band in my gang of UK indie friends (Olivia Tremor Control and Apples In Stereo got a lot more press over here, by which I mean "still not that much really")
so I was pretty baffled in around 2006 when I was at a festival and they played it over the PA in one of the smaller tents and a big group of people younger than me were making a big show of singing and swaying along, because I had apparently totally missed it becoming canonised while OTC were gently forgotten about
― agrarian gamekeeper (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
there's shit i totally love that took me, jeez, probably 10 years to like...
i couldn't stand bitches brew by miles when i heard it in college, just didn't get it at all, tons of stuff i love now...actually jazz in general, so glad i have some sorta weird sense of obligation cuz i would have just given up and missed so much beauty
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I just don't like it when people take it as a personal challenge to MAKE you like their canonical favorite.Because if history is any indicator, I'll come around to liking it on my own, eventually. Or not.
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that sux
but i guess i always figure -- to a point -- if ppl whose opinions i respect like stuff there must be something to it...even like non-canon stuff like the goons on ilx have made me check out way more no-nyc rap than i ever would have and a lot of it has been great
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
for sure there's a few like that for me as well, but sometimes an album just won't ever click with me, too. I just dislike that someone won't accept that someone disliking an album is an invalid opinion!
xxpost -- lol dammit
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
well rap IS a good example of where that has happened for me, 3 years ago I couldn't stand slow southern club rap, but it's more or less because I'd barely heard any of it and hadn't listened real closely.
compared with like the eagles, whom I know I'll never like, regardless of what you put in my baloney sandwich
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't like so many of my favorite albums on first listen (Aeroplane included for same reasons, Magnum's whiny nasal yawlp was the worst). by now I figure if something really affects me it's at least worth further exploration.
but everyone's different
― Mangrove Earthshoe (herb albert), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Pitchfork put in Aeroplane in the top ten of their Top Albums of the 1990s feature that they compiled in 2003. I have heard that Pitchfork are quite the tastemakers so maybe that had an impact in its seeming canoniztion in the 2000s? Along with Bee Thousand and I See a Darkness, it was one of the three albums in their 1990s top ten that I never really "got".
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
bee thousand is just awesome catchy garage pop tunes, what's to get?
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah was gonna say I was like 30 when that album came out and it was immediately taken to by the indiesphere of the day.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
oh wait I was 28, how the time flies
Ummm, Night Beat by Sam Cooke.
I LOVE Live at the Harlem Square Club, and I by no means think Night Beat is in any way 'bad' - but aside from the killer guitar playing and "Lost and Lookin,'" this just sounds like a pretty good soul album - not the life changing 40 minutes I was told it would be.
also, Slowdive in general. I like 'em just OK. What's the big deal?
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty into the canon too, but the more expanded view--where there's like 100 canonical albums from 1972 and you're not required to love all of them.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess it weren't that catchy to me. Chacun à son goût and all that.
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Bee Thousand is much easier to grasp as a bunch of catchy mini-songs, than as a work of genius of whatever.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Jeff Buckley's Grace. I still think, to this day, that a large part of the album's success is purely because of the guy's ravishing good looks.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i think jeff buckley had a beautiful voice and people forgive him for having never ever written an interesting song because there was always the potential that he might have done something great eventually just because of his voice. and also maybe he has that martyr's aura surrounding him, though i suppose classic rock types were enthralled even when he was alive so maybe i am wrong.
― keythhtyek, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Grace is amazing. idk hwo one can think he didn't write anything interesting, the songs are gorgeous!
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Bonnie Raitt - Give It Up
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Live at Leeds.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, WTF at Jeff Buckley criticism - there are some fantastic self-penned songs on Grace; "Last Goodbye" being a good example. The only reason I could see people hating on it is because of its ostensible "classic-rockness", which is a foregone dismissal as there's quite more to the record than AOR hoariness. And yes, his voice is pretty special.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 11:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like woody allen in manhattan, and you are all diane keaton after the trip to the museum, talking about yr academy of the overrated.
― chev rivera (stevie), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, bloody Astral Weeks. don't get it.
― sometimes all it takes is a healthy dose of continental indiepop (tomofthenest), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
stevie: isn't that the point?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link