Cornelius Cardew 'treatise' and graphic scores

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I'm going to another gig tonight - if I'm not too tired I will be going.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 October 2004 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The non-musical part of the event looks wanky in extremis but I might go

Dataismus (Dada), Friday, 15 October 2004 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah and I'll bet you anything they'll put poetry etc etc with treatise as the last thing on...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 15 October 2004 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Finally checked the Memorial Concert It's really good, it struck me.

http://www.ubu.com/sound/cardew.html

you guys should go. I wish I could go.

(Jon L), Saturday, 16 October 2004 07:20 (nineteen years ago) link

revive! tonight I just might go along to this (london ilxers only):

ST GILES CRIPPLEGATE - Christian Wolff at 70
Starts Friday, October 29 2004 at 7:30 PM

Dal Niente Projects and COMA
Christian Wolff: Changing the System (1972-3)
Cornelius Cardew: The Great Learning Paragraph 3 (1970-1)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Julio, go go go go!! THe CD of The Great Learning is amazing, one of my favorite records. It had recordings of 'paragraphs' 1,2 and 7 (it's based on a Confucian text)

according to the notes, paragraph 3 is:

1 page, for large instruments and voices, duration about 45 minutes, text: 'Things have their root and their branches, affairs have their end and their beginning. To know what is first and what is last will lead near to what is taught.'

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I did did did!!

christina wolff was first - for those who don't know 'changing the system' is for several groups of four (there were five for this performance - two groups of singers, two for percussion instruments and one for brass/percussion). I wz a bit late so it took me a while to get into it and seeing the logic from the random - not quite the kind of thing that could be performed at a concert hall (which I guess is the point) so the groups were spread round the church. The ending has those teasing silences that reminded me of the performance of 'for philip guston' that I attended earlier this year.

'Paragraph 3' sounded reminded me of Oliveros and totally diff from uncertanties of 'treatise', the COMA singers were not professional, anyone can take part and the thought that anyone could join this group (there's an email addy in the programme) made me all warm and fuzzy.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, I missed this. Fuck!

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 1 November 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
This was a very bits and pieces show (was there for it late last year), a new music ensemble tackling "Treatise", but its a fine programme. Joanna Bailie is v affected by Feldman's work, you have a rare perf of something (anything!) by Robert Ashley. For me, The highlight was Chris Dench "Rushes", then Barrett's "Lost". They omit a work by Øyvind Torvund, that ws the one I had most problems with.

I'll re-listen sometime to see if my impressions have changed.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 April 2007 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

nine years pass...

shawn feeney's electronic realisation: https://vimeo.com/24759329

the actual score -- when animated -- always reminds me of the look of george dunning's yellow submarine

which reminds me (since it's where i first wrote that observation down) here's a little piece i wrote about it (pdf -- you have to scroll down) : http://www.soundmatters.org.uk/content/documents/exhibition-guide/CC_SM_guide.pdf

mark s, Saturday, 13 August 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link

and here's a version by the SYNTAX ensemble now the youtube embeds are sorted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMzIXxlwuCs

mark s, Thursday, 18 August 2016 13:22 (seven years ago) link

Treatise: An Animated Analysis -- a fair proportion of which seems "state the bleedin obvious" to me, but perhaps i have been thinking about this object for too long

mark s, Friday, 19 August 2016 12:52 (seven years ago) link

Takes me back to my slog through Tilbury's biog at the start of the year, I must pick it up again.

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Friday, 19 August 2016 13:03 (seven years ago) link

i close-read a few sections for that "sound matters" catalogue piece and speedread the rest: i was actually constantly torn between "dude NO ONE needs to know this much abt xxx" and "i feel there is actually more to say here on this topic" (ie that someone not so caught up in and basically sympathetic to a lot of CC's odder stances might have a sharper perspective?)

i'm still glad the JT biog exists but blimey

mark s, Friday, 19 August 2016 13:13 (seven years ago) link

Agree with all of that. JT not only sympathetic to CC's later wrongness but complicit in, of course.

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Friday, 19 August 2016 13:22 (seven years ago) link


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