Salem - What kind of music genre is this ?

everybody cool it the crunk police are here

― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:49 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if i say the sky is blue will u argue with me?

ministry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

im not even gonna finish

crunk police

http://funnypicblast.com/wp-content/imgdir/2008_09/sexy-policewoman-pic3.jpg

that is not deej.

well, i mean, maybe, but i doubt it.

stop posting photoes of my wife

if i say the sky is blue will u argue with me?

yup

http://i53.tinypic.com/15hblw2.gif

markers you've had better shticks

actually I am usually pretty down on markers but his doggedness on this subject is developing its own sort of charm seeing as the actual truth about salem can be summed up by a certain jpg that bought whiney a temp-ban

markers, you can't clown on salem too much. the disc got a 7.5 from p4kmedia. that means salem is 75% good, so you can only clown on it 25% of the time.

<3 y'all

bought this today

i am truly sorry for your lots

idg why this band is popular

who cares, it's clearly an opportune time for me to make my grand entrance into the pop world making half-assed mumbly music with casio beats

the rap beat curtis sent me last sunday >> anything i've heard by salem

i like half-assed music mumbly music w/casio beats i dont like this oh well who cares but its not v interesting? like i mean id start a thread about the new C V L T S tape that i think is amazing but its not getting 500+ posts enh idk who cares, sure this is dumm to care about really

this band always has such terrible artwork though

^^ was this post written by fred armisen's impression of joy behar?

just a fantastic reference there

i started writing up something with actual words but its an ilm thread about salem so

glad you stopped by

thread policing on the ilm thread about salem is so nagl

lol i wasn't thread policing, i was making fun of lamp for saying "eh who cares" like 8 times in two sentences

exaggerated apathy is the only valid response &c &c

I didn't actively hate this when I listened to it this morning but I still can't really see what the point of this music actually is. Can't think its whole doomladen vibe would be better with some actual space to the music, and less ridiculously tinny drum sounds.

the point of this music is when it's late at night and you want some background music that's also a little ~discomfiting~ but that you don't need to pay much attention to

It seems to demand too much attention for that, a bit like the Flying Lotus album. Although Cosmogramma >>> King Night.

the point of this music is when it's late at night and you want some background music that's also a little ~discomfiting~ but that you don't need to pay much attention to

Bohren and der Club of Gore are the go-to for this surely. I agree with Matt, whether you love or loathe Salem I'd find it hard to use this as background music.

There's also the problem that Southern rap drum sounds sound like shit when divorced from actual rap music, especially music that aspires towards heaviness (both this and Lil Wayne's atrocious rock record spring to mind).

The whole sounding like shit thing works well for Salem imo

also, how does one get arrested by the Crunk Police?

Wait, I got it: "In 2007, the hottest name in crunk was in fact...Belle and Sebastian."

There's also the problem that Southern rap drum sounds sound like shit when divorced from actual rap music,

this is the kind of assertion about which I am really suspicious - any musical sound in any genre context could be just great depending on how it was used in my opinion - the notion that particular sounds/textures/tones can't sound good except in a given genre context strikes me as a claim that'd require more defense than could be mustered on its behalf

It seems to demand too much attention for that, a bit like the Flying Lotus album. Although Cosmogramma >>> King Night.

Okay can we please not compare one of the year's most brilliant albums to one of its most desperately boring and overhyped?

wait which one is which?

Anyone who's seen me in the Flying Lotus thread or gushing about his live set should know the answer to that.

yeah missed that thread

Yeah I thought Cosmogramma was an unlistenable rehash of some of the worst elements of noodly up-its-own-bottom IDM. I couldn't sit through hardly any of it.

What puzzles me on this thread isn't the people who don't like Salem, as this is an aesthetic decision, but the people who say it's "derivative" or "boring" or "not sure what it's for" etc... I mean, this is not really like a lot of music that's been out before, despite certain allusions to industrial, hip hop and house music. They def seem to be doing their own thing - it's an original sound and aesthetic, so I can't see how it could be classed as uninteresting.

really? something can't be both original and boring?

I agree that parts of the album do drag a bit, and maybe parts of it could have been done better. But the quintessence of Salem IS interesting and original, and it also seems obvious what this music is "for". I don't agree with those on this thread who are all "Oh it's Salem, oh YAWWWWN I've seen all this before..." because the only band I can really equate with them based on aesthetic value are Ministry, who don't really sound like Salem much at all and haven't done anything worthwhile in years.

i mean, they are definitely "original" but only because they're a watered-down, whitenized and hipster chic version of something I already like.

a watered-down, whitenized and hipster chic version of something I already like

Doesn't this eventually happen with every interesting type of music? :(

whiney - what exactly are you talking about? crunk? if yes, then I fear you are missing the point of Salem.

i think salem are doing something fairly unlike anything else right now, but it doesn't really come across as sounding impressive b/c it's pretty simple and uses a lot of basic elements from other genres. it's pretty effective here and there - i do remember being kind of blown away be "redlights" when i first heard it ages ago - much much less so across an album. i don't get breathlessly stanning for them though on the other side there are people absolutely loving how cynical/sceptical/dismissive salem allow them to be (it's kind of an open goal) and that's nagl.

found an article somewhere saying that white ring and creep are the two witch house acts who actually have the potential to transcend its silliness, from what i've heard i would agree with that. the two white ring tracks i've heard, "ixc999" and "roses", are the only songs from this scene that i've found myself compulsively listening to. iirc it's only creep, who are two girls, who've talked about "rape gaze", not any of the other acts, and, like, duhhh they've called themselves CREEP ffs, it's hardly out of character. their debut single proper has romy xx on vox and - going by the deadboy remix which is all i've heard - is really great and focused.

Lex, you're right - I think my only issue with Salem is that they work better on paper and on initial listen, than they do over the course of a whole album. I love the idea of this kind of haunted hillbilly rave music, but they need to throw a few more ideas into the mix. I don't find it "silly" though (well maybe the rapping is a bit daft), but I can totally see a generation of what might have once been goths and metalheads really digging this stuff, since most of the metalheads I have known were also into hiphop AND noisy dance music etc.. So going back to an industrial style is quite welcome from my viewpoint.

lex otm--it's "original" but also shallow and obvious.

whiney - what exactly are you talking about? crunk? if yes, then I fear you are missing the point of Salem.

― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, October 11, 2010 10:05 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I mean screw music. And the fact that you can't pick up on that speaks volumes about why these guys are successful

sorry, markers: """""""""""successful""""""""""

this thread: *SIGH*

i mean, and I LIKE white crunk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SyEwLREPs4

I mean screw music. And the fact that you can't pick up on that speaks volumes about why these guys are successful

― like the G6 summit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, October 11, 2010 10:19 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

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