does tom petty have any redeeming qualities?

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None whatsoever. He's not catchy, he doesn't rock, and he doesn't have a mood. I'm all for whitebread America but its spirit was better captured by Boston, early R. E. M., or mid-90s fucking Offspring singles. Dullness and mediocrity incarnate is more how I'd put it.

Oliver: In grade school I thought his version of "So You Want to Be a Rock n Roll Star" was one of the worst songs I'd ever heard.

Josh: I have. And I switched off the radio when he came on.

John: He is??? Should I still take your word on checking out Trey Azagoth, I wonder.

sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 1 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He's got nothing but redeeming qualities. He's like a less great Joan Jett. He's written a bunch of great songs, he's not Bono, he continues to play rock and roll and hasn't made any transparently obvious attempts to keep up with trends, he made one of the only watchable videos evah (Don't Come Around Here No More), he's not Bruce Springsteen, he's still married to the same girl (I think), he's got a sense of humor about himself, and he was good live when I saw him twenty years ago. He'd be the first to tell you that he's whitebread America incarnate--so what? What's he supposed to do about it? There are lots of people much more worthy of your scorn.

dan, Tuesday, 1 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He may be a nice guy and all, but does that make me want to listen to him? On balance -- no. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

One of his redeeming qualities (as of right now) is his current lack of public presence. It mirrors the presence he's taking up in my headspace - as long as he doesn't smother me with his Dylanesque whine, I am quite content with his mastery of the rock/pop idiom and his dirty jangle.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tom Petty has written some very good music.

Gage-o, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Never heard of 'we must destroy disco', could be good.

I like Tom Petty but own none of his records.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I concur that Mr. Petty's written some great tunes. I mean, so what if he's not hip, are we really going to go back into that quagmire again?

Mickey Black Eyes, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"He's like a less great Joan Jett": the word "less" is doing quite a lot of work in this sentence

mark s, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'll vouch that the Greatest Hits he put out circa 94 is solid and a guilty pleasure (though it doesn't include the Stevie duet, which i love), although it's been years and i dunno if i'd be able to stand it now.

and i'll stick my neck out even further and say that "American Girl" is a classic rock tune i'll never tune out in the car, and it bugs the hell outta me when shits like the Goo Goo Dolls or Everclear (who, i concede, are probably about as close to a modern equivalent as Mr. Petty has) butc

al, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I haven't thought about him in a long time; I actually pulled out my copies of "Damn the Torpedoes" and "Hard Promises" to jar my memory, and recalled with pleasure many songs. He doesn't top my best of list, but surely he's nothing to get upset over. And yes, his Stevie duet is killer.

Sean, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
wtf? you can't fuck with tom petty.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 10 September 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

A co-worker of mine is a huge Tom Petty fan, and it's his birthday tomorrow (not Petty's, my friend's). I actually went boppin' around the East Village looking for obscure Petty ephemera (vintage t-shirt from Damn the Torpedoes or something), but came up empty.

I liked "You Got Lucky" and a few of his earlier hits (notably "Refugee") but everything since has been prety mediocre at best.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 September 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

it's all about "breakdown"

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Refugee" is the only good chord progression he ever squeezed out. The songwriting on things like "You Don't Know How It Feels" or "Running Down the Dream" is laughable.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Breakdown"'s alright.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

nice

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

his lyrics are bad, and his vocals can grate, but yeah he has some good tunes: "the waiting" is esp. nice.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"Break Down" did indeed sound tough and sexy when it was a new song. Beyond that, meh.

briania (briania), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

but yeah a lot of his recent (i.e. past 15 years??) hits seem really lazy to me, esp. "you don't know how it feels" and "mary jane's last dance." i guess he sort of stopped trying at some point.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"breakdown" has those backing vocals that actually sound a little disco to me! or sleazy, at least.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never understood how people can get that excited about him. I mean, yeah, he's had some good singles, but none of them have been particularly ground-breaking or life-affirming.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I find most of his songs "pleasant," and this can actually be good or bad. They don't grate or annoy, but they sometimes slip into the background. However, I have a soft spot for just about any popular act with an "ugly" voice.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

and an ugly face

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i have the first album and enjoy some of the singles. i even took the complete videos out on video once.

kephm, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

josh otm.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

he had a very good guitarist in mike campbell

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah campbell and tench both rule

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I like tom petty, actually.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

he was great on the various garry shandling shows

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure there are at least six songs by this guy i really really like

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember josh and i argued about this for some time. i remain unconvinced.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just today deciding whether or not to excise his Greatest Hits disc from my iPod. It stayed.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

tom petty is pretty frequently the weakest element of a tom petty song though

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw him live years ago (Long After Dark tour - I went because The Plimsouls were opening) and he put on a very good rock and roll show in the traditional sense of it - I could probably quickly throw together a pretty excellent homebrew greatest hits collection (which is mostly different from the "hits" collection that came out). Like other posters were saying, he's too inoffensive to really harsh on. I still remember back in the very early 80s when Petty was lumped in with the new wavers because no one could figure out where to put him.

Stan Lynch's playing on "The Waiting" is one of my favorite drum recordings ever.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I only read the first ten or so posts, but what's the matter with you people? Petty rules. His first, like, four albums are pure pop fucking perfection. What's a better song than "American Girl?" Tell me! Every album he's ever done has AT LEAST four or five good-to-great songs.

His major flaw, for me, is his association with Jeff Lynne.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Truly, the first few TP records are fantastic. As good as the first few Ramones records. I don't even see how the question of "redeeming qualities" enters into it.

Dark Horse, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Wildflowers quite a bit. Breezy summer pop-rock album, the songwriting and lyrics are irrelevant to me (I never noticed that "You Don't Know How It Feels" was lazy, but I haven't heard any of his early stuff), a nice, slow rhythm for most songs.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i like almost all of his singles and i hate all of his albums. he's responsible for some of the worst filler of his generation.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

what's filler? I mean, aside from side 2 of Full Moon Fever?

while nothing he's done even approaches the greatness that is Leave Home, I agree with Dark Horse about the 'wtf???' head-scratching thread title.

A consistent and often great songwriter, expressive vocalist (really!) and the Heartbreakers were (are) the perfect band for Petty - classic u fules

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i was shocked to read this:

Also, and I know this is asking for trouble, but he's a really good guitarist.

doesn't mike campbell play all the recognizable guitar parts on petty's songs? does petty do anything more than strum three or four chords? (not that there's anything wrong with that.)

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what's filler?

the last 10 or so tracks on wildflowers, for example. most of you're gonna get it, for another example. i can't give you song titles 'cause i find his album tracks so generic that i can hardly remember a thing about them, music, words or titles. i hear all of his albums as maybe three good songs surrounded by color-by-numbers twangy new wavey rootsy southerny ditties.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I think his defining moment was his role in Kevin Costner's masterpiece (after his previous post-apocalyptic triumph 'Waterworld'. Damn was that guy on fire or what?) 'The Postman'.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Every album he's ever done has AT LEAST four or five good-to-great songs. -- roger adultery

The Last DJ?

southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Odd that there's no mention of "You Wreck Me" — classic. And I'm totally amazed by the guy's consistency, to be honest.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"Walls" is for me the sleeper Petty masterpiece. "You got a heart so big / It could crush this town", with its phrasing, seems pure gold to me.

southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i spent a month driving around europe in a crammed splitter van, and if i hadn't had my tom petty favorites mix then i would have strangled someone or jumped off an alp.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

xgau's review of Greatest Hits sums it up for me. His other Tom Petty reviews are pretty dead on too.

Greatest Hits [MCA, 1993]
Sometimes it's hard to remember what a breath of fresh air the gap-spanning MTV figurehead was in 1976. So revisit this automatic multiplatinum, a treasury of power pop that doesn't know its name--snappy songs! Southern beats! gee! Like Billy Joel, say, or the Police, his secret isn't that he's a natural singles artist--it's that he's too shallow to merit full concentration except when he gets it all right, and maybe not then. Petty is the formalist of the ordinary guy, taking his musical pleasure in roots, branches, commerce, art, whatever gets him going without demanding anything too fancy of his brain or his rear end. Footloose by habit and not what you'd call a ladies' man, he often feels confused or put upon, and though he wishes the world were a better place, try to take what he thinks is his and he won't back down. He has one great virtue--his total immersion in rock and roll. A-

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, he can be supremely annoying, but his "Greatest Hits" LP is worth owning.

"American Girl" = Best non-Byrds Byrds song EVAH

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Personal Tom Petty POX:
Runaway Trains
Don't Come Around Here No More
A Face In The Crowd
The Waiting
Free Fallin'
There Goes My Girl
American Girl
Refugee
Walls
I Won't Back Down

I stand by what I wrote about Full Moon Fever on my blog about a year ago.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

hope you have Let Me Up tracks; he just chose the three tracks on the double-disc comp

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 August 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link

everyone sleeps on runaway trains. I guess it was technically a single so maybe not deep enough?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 7 August 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link

that's a great song

ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 August 2014 19:36 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

for some reason, my five year old daughter is reallllly into tom petty all of a sudden. she drew this picture of him
https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11001682_10206058481601581_2667046924968240590_n.jpg?oh=b34b76efa393faecf0f861d30a60f8ef&oe=5587AA02

tylerw, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link

that mic stand is very stable

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link

future engineer imo

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link

petty plays a mean lute

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link

Probably the Vox?

http://www.edroman.com/guitars/abstract/images/TomPettyVoxTeardrop.jpg

how's life, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link

oh shit for sure!

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link

tom should for real use that as his next album cover

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link

totally.
someone pointed out it could also be sandy bull w/ his oud
https://oudmusic.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/sandy-bull-e-pluribus-unum.jpg

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link

hahah!

how's life, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link

I think every kid goes through their Sandy Bull phase

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link

if they've got hair

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link

lol yeah, an easy path from petty to bull. she'll be listening to nothing but deep oud jams from somalia in no time.

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link

it is kind of interesting though... trying to figure out what it is exactly that makes kids respond to tom petty. i know i responded to him when i was eight or nine. it might specifically be the full moon fever album. i mean, obviously really catchy songs, but wondering if there's something about the production that gets right to a kid's brain.

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link

i guess petty has some muppet like qualities

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link

tom should for real use that as his next album cover

m@tt OTM, somebody get Mr. Petty on the phone

sleeve, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link

That picture is very good for a five year old!! Thanks for posting it!

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Finally got around to listening to Howard Stern interview Jimmy Iovine and Iovine is still dissing Stan Lynch for being behind the beat. Once you hear the shaker in Refugee, you can't unhear it.

Warren Zanes' book far more interesting than I expected.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 August 2017 08:31 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

I just came across this post of the new Petty-produced Hillman album, with some other Byrds, Heartbreakers among participants---haven't had time to listen yet, but might be redeeming: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7968856/chris-hillman-bidin-my-time-album

dow, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 02:01 (six years ago) link

Oh man, slightly unfair to OP to dredge up this thread today.

enochroot, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link

i saw chris hillman at the opry while i was in nashville, played "turn turn turn" and a righteous bros. cover from the new record, both sounded wonderful, looking forward to checking it out

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 12:58 (six years ago) link

Tom Petty had plenty of redeeming qualities, not to mention he had the respect of a lot of prominent musicians. On the other hand, he had no classic albums and was pretty much an American phenomenon.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link

Eh, I'll stand up for OP.

I'm going to keep quiet for the next couple of days though. My opinions would only sound ... *ahem* ... contemptuously trivial.

pplains, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 13:28 (six years ago) link

Oh man, slightly unfair to OP to dredge up this thread today.

― enochroot, Tuesday, October 3, 2017

My post answered the thread question!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link

threadstarter earlier noted on twitter that he's listening to the heartbreakers today to lift his otherwise shitty mood, so alfred's post was evidently persuasive

rip tom

mark s, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link


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