The J0rdan S. listening club

weird to think that album introduced alison goldfrapp to the world

Didn't she sing with Orbital before that?

oh she may have done - i forget which came out first, maxinquaye or snivilisation - thought the latter was '96

i never knew who that was. thought it was a french woman for some reason. was she credited on the album?

also only just put together the smashing pumpkins sample and the title

yeah she's in the album credits but doesn't get a "featuring" or anything. the other non-martina vocalist was an icelandic singer called ragga, on "you don't", whose own single "man in the moon" is a bit of a lost gem.

"Are We Here" by Orbital was 1994. Awesome tune too.

Love love love "You Don't" and always wanted to hear the first Ragga album which I was reliably informed was excellent.

i always did, too. and never got round to it!

Maxinquaye is boring btw.

Maybe now, but in 1995 that shit was bending my brain.

honestly can't decide if this is boring or secretly the shit

How I feel about Tricky on most days.

beginning to think i should've just saved maxinquaye for my album choice

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, January 21, 2011 3:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

well, you're up first in the albums rotation, and i don't really see a problem with an album pick being the same as a song pick if you want to do that.

Can i put my name down for something. I don't really feel like schooling jordan who apart from madonna-lapse always knows more than me, but this seems like fun.

Maxinquaye is boring btw.

― knits you a baby (The Reverend), Friday, January 21, 2011 4:15 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im w/ this. all i read about dude was how groundbreaking his shit was but it always seemed to be taking its cues from american rap but w/ more stilted brit talk-rapping over it. i guess this is like a tradition but i wish yall wouldnt saddle every uniquely british version of american rap w/ the 'visionary' tag, gets kind of eye-roll-y

yeah but how many critics kept listening to Tricky once there was more rapping than female singing?

Maxinquaye > any other "uniquely british version of american rap"

I regard Tricky as one more (but crucial!) part of Maxinquaye's smutty atmospherics. I understand wondering what the fuss is about now, years after Tricky's lapse into mannerism became complete, but if Maxinquaye was, like most of us, your intro to Tricky, it was intoxicating.

I should point out: he's much harder and conventional (not an insult) on Blue Lines, proving that, if he wants to, he can ride on flow as well as any MC.

when j0rdan gets back i want him to clarify his blurb on black ivory still! i rlly am unsure what he meant

Maxinquaye > any other "uniquely british version of american rap"

― gospodin simmel, Friday, January 21, 2011 7:29 AM Bookmark

Meh, I prefer Tinie Tempah.

and I love what Tricky does to old school stuff like "Lyrics of Fury" and "Black Steel."

His "Black Steel" cover is dope, I give you that.

For the uninitiated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDHl5djnYM4

describing maxinquaye as just "taking its cues from american rap" is so immensely reductive, esp given that the lead vocal on the majority of songs is not a rapper

and if you're talking about the beats, i pretty much love everything on it better than any early 90s (or earlier) american hip-hop beat

as someone who hates the overwhelming the majority of British rap and beat-driven music i fucks with Maxinquaye real real heavy

and if you're talking about the beats, i pretty much love everything on it better than any early 90s (or earlier) american hip-hop beat

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, January 21, 2011 9:46 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, bullshit

i dont even hate maxinquaye or anything, i just dont think ive ever read something about it that wasnt so busy making a (larger superfluous & inaccurate, imo) case for its 'importance' rather than describing what actual works about the record & how it operates

i had your back on that argument re: MMLP but it feels less and less like people are still arguing Maxinquaye's importance over its general excellence and listenability (and i guess there are more and more artists openly influenced by it that its importance is probably easier to justify now anyway)

wrong reviews then. fuck importance, Maxinquaye is beautiful.

xp obviously

(and i guess there are more and more artists openly influenced by it that its importance is probably easier to justify now anyway)

― gosamosapodin simgibmelreel (some dude), Friday, January 21, 2011 10:03 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

what contemporary artists are influenced by or carrying these innovations forward now? trip hop in a tricky vein was sort of a cul de sac no? /pandora's box

i think i mean 'can of worms' not 'pandoras box' but im sick overtired & its early in the morning

i got the impression that every hot new artist in UK rap-ish music and a lot of hyped up US 'weird beat' music namechecked Tricky as a formative influence? i haven't actually heard most of those artists so i dunno how true that is but i got the impression he was becoming kind of a hip reference point again. (xpost)

i would love to do this if anybody wants to use me as a guinea pig in the future. i have loads of huge holes in my listening history.
also:
4. debbie deb - when i hear music
i've definitely heard this song a bunch & obviously i think it's a stone cold classic -- every part of this song is basically perfect
<3

ugh forks stop talking about letting people use you and fill your huge holes

jealous much?

i just dont think ive ever read something about it that wasnt so busy making a (larger superfluous & inaccurate, imo) case for its 'importance' rather than describing what actual works about the record & how it operates

this is the tim f thing of dismissing a record because of bad writing on it, what gospodin simmel said, who cares about the reviews, it's an amazing listening experience.

and yeah you could def argue that dubstep, post-dubstep etc is the current equivalent of trip-hop - i mean with the bristolian guys like joker and guido it's particularly obvious that they're following in the portishead/tricky lineage. and lots of hyped indie acts seem to be namechecking them too.

dubstep sounds to me like tripped out IDM but what do i know

I don't get anything out of listening to Maxinquaye though, it's mostly a blank to me. Saying you prefer the beats to any early 90s US rap is just foreign to me that I can't even deal with it.

the boy/girl dynamic of Maxinquaye moves me. the way the lyrics and the voices interact. of course it's not "Fear Of A Black Planet" or "Mama Said Knock You Out" but that's not the point.

I mean, it's just as good

and yeah you could def argue that dubstep, post-dubstep etc is the current equivalent of trip-hop - i mean with the bristolian guys like joker and guido it's particularly obvious that they're following in the portishead/tricky lineage. and lots of hyped indie acts seem to be namechecking them too.

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, January 21, 2011 10:15 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

see yeah, i hate all this music so

maxinquaye >>> that stuff

at least w/ tricky the mood / pretentiousness balance was a bit more even

what's pretentious about Tricky?

indeed, what's pretentious about guido?

he'll dress up in Stussi, take it in the ass just for a laugh, and take the Smashing Pumpkins seriously enough to sample them and in turn write a better Pumpkins song.

what's pretentious about Tricky?

― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, January 21, 2011 10:43 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean it in the sense that any artist who isnt going to the pop jugular is at some level being pretentious ... his trip hop was stylishly pretentious, dubstep has the added influence of idm

j0rdan s input needed here, also
one of the best ever rap samples is the blackbyrds 'mysterious vibes'

5. The Supremes (70s) - Bad Weather (produced by Stevie Wonder)

stevie went ham on this one -- like the drum beat on this a lot -- lead vocal on this is pretty awesome too, showy but not loud, if that makes sense -- very nice song

― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

So glad J0rdan enjoyed this song. This song should've been a hit back in the day. Stevie was even going to record an album with them. Jean Terrell's voice and his songwriting would've been great.