What are the best/essential Smashing Pumpkins tracks?

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(Coincidentally, I just bought the new Billy Corgan CD.)

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 18 June 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

MAYONAISE MAYONAISE MAYONAISE MAYONAISE MAYONAISE

- (smile), Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Soma!
Starla!
Obscured!
Whir!
Here Is No Why!
Drown!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The essential album is Pisces Iscariot and don't let ANYBODY TELL YOU OTHERWISE!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Bye June!
and I'm quite partial to Eye.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Hello Kitty Kat!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha in a weird way the essential album is pisces iscariot.

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

My walking out the door, top of my head POX:

Drown
Cherub Rock
Silverfuck
Stand Inside Your Love
Love
Rocket
Daphne Descends
Perfect
Bodies
Thirty-Three

The essential album is Pisces Iscariot and don't let ANYBODY TELL YOU OTHERWISE!

I don't know why I don't listen to this album more often.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"Cupid De Locke" is one of the most beautiful songs ever recorded.

If I had to recommend one, that would be it. It's the one I rank the highest for the Pumpkins.

My fav Pumpkins rocker is probably "Siva."

billstevejim (billstevejim), Sunday, 19 June 2005 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"Cupid"'s a beauty, I actually put that on a mix tape for my mom (and before the Oedipus jokes start, this was all due to her in the mid-nineties wondering why it is 'my generation' seemed to only like dark evil music, so I sought to correct her impression -- this is why she is now among other things an In the Nursery and Mojave 3 fan).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 03:31 (eighteen years ago) link

if you listen to bullet w/ butterfly wings, 1979, today, tonight tonight and adore, you can BS your way through any entry-level smashing pumpkins conversation.

Will M. (Will M.), Sunday, 19 June 2005 05:10 (eighteen years ago) link

joseph cotton's PO5 is really great and succinct.

Richard K (Richard K), Sunday, 19 June 2005 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link

1979 and that batman song.

cilly borgan, Sunday, 19 June 2005 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Slunk!
Drown!
Crush!

leonard (tk), Sunday, 19 June 2005 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

OPO: starla.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 19 June 2005 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

1979 and that batman song.

ah, but is it the FAST or the SLOW batman song?

thank you K (x-post)

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 19 June 2005 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"Bullet with Butterfly Wings"

best? essential? ... more like a litmus test.

If you can even stand it a _little_ bit, you'll probably adore the Pumps. If not, well unfortunately many other songs by them are equally afflicted with this godawful nasal whinge & whine.

hatorade!!!!!!, Sunday, 19 June 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

the one that goes "Stay with me I'll set you free" on the 1979 single

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 19 June 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I think "shame" is the best song they ever did.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 19 June 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Pissant
Soma
Siva
Whir
Bodies
Starla
Today
Rocket
Silverfuck
Set The Ray To Jerry

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I find I like the bombast and the production, but his voice is so thin--that's the only part that keeps me from really loving them 100%. I wish they had another vocalist.

I like the actual music, though, with the exception of the song Today, which is too Paul McCartney-esque in its sentiment for me to take seriously. Cherub Rock reminds me of a Heatmiser Song; I like Heatmiser, but I didn't like Cherub Rock.

The theatricality of Silverfuck, and the heavier stuff, which I like much better, reminds me of Alice Cooper's Welcome to my Nightmare album. Not sound-wise, but in the sense of the dramatic, the story-telling. Bullet w/ Buttterfly Wings was another one I really liked. I love the Zeppelin-heavy stuff--thanks for pointing me in the right direciton, all!

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 19 June 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The one where he appears to be singing "in sodomy and such a part of you" and "in his bum" and "I used to need a little boy" and "tequila in me and tequila in you". Disarm.

Hahahahahhahaha oh my god, I will never hear this song the same way again.

Roz (Roz), Sunday, 19 June 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Coincidentally, I just bought the new Billy Corgan CD

Wait, I thought it wasn't out for two more days...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Set the Ray to Jerry is indeed a very nice one (I'm still making my way though these)

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Starla is the perfect thing for my psych-loving self! Great song!

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

None of them, of course.

Ismael, Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Ismael's right. It's a trick question.

Stoner Guy, Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

You two are fun little people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the actual music, though, with the exception of the song Today, which is too Paul McCartney-esque in its sentiment for me to take seriously. Cherub Rock reminds me of a Heatmiser Song; I like Heatmiser, but I didn't like Cherub Rock.

The theatricality of Silverfuck, and the heavier stuff, which I like much better

Try this live version of Today. Far less prissy.
http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0TPFP11M142Y11SG0QX8E1MKNP

btw, try Bodies, XYU, Zero, or Where Boys Fear To Tread if you like heavy.

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Billy really should sing with a little more vibrato and a little less downward pitch-diving.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

If you like the psych Zep guitarzz, check out some Gish tracks, especially "Bury Me."

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

gotta put the 2 cents in---
seek-
drown
STARLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
siamese dream (yes, the song)
window paine
frail n' bedazzeled
XYU!!!!!!!
jackboot (lol)
heavy metal machine (live only)
blue skies bring tears (alt. Machina 2 version, the speed version)

destroy-
adore.all of it.and most of machina.any iha song.

eedd, Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Your last line is the product of demons.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

nay, sir.
tis not.
i merely can not(but did try) get into adore. many have argued, none have won. for me it very easily the point where i say the true decline began...even corgan admits it was a blunder and a fluke.

as for machina, well, all i gots to say is-Machina 2=the real rawk.

c'mon, iha's songs all sounded too sappy- blew away, the boy,etc.=ick.

eedd, Monday, 20 June 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, "Home" off of Machina 2 is a great great lost song.

PB, Monday, 20 June 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Frail and Bedazzled is fantastic. I'd also second Hello Kitty Kat, Pissant, and Geek USA.

Pisces Iscariot is their best, I say.

cdwill, Monday, 20 June 2005 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
1979 is the obvious pick - great songwriting by billy corgan
i love age of innocence as well - in fact i DO like machina
by the way, did you know the Pumpkins were reforming ?

El carnal, Sunday, 28 August 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Astounding lack of love here for the never-equalled "Rhinoceros," an easy OPO for me: the big washy epic buzz of their later stuff, with an admirable mystery that some of their later songs boringly dispel. "Rhinoceros" = SP's "Radio Free Europe" as against _Mellon Collie_ = SP's still-worthwhile but more direct and concomitantly less interesting _Automatic for the People_.

Guayaquil, Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Machina is vastly underrated, these are all classic:

"The Everlasting Gaze"
"Raindrops and Sunshowers"
"Stand Inside Your Love"
"Try Try Try"
"Heavy Metal Machine"
"Wound"

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe im i'm the only one but i'm pretty fond of "ode to no one" as far as rockin' pumpkins goes. anyone else...?

coil my, Monday, 29 August 2005 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a fine one...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Secret favorite low-key Pumpkins tracks -- "Set the Ray to Jerry" and "Shame

Amen. "Set the Ray..." in particular.

Also:

"Soma"
"I am one"
"Rhinoceros"
"Glynis"
"Hummer"
"Stand inside your Love"
"Everlasting Gaze"
"Landslide"
"Mayonnaise"

One of the best bands in the world to be 16 years-old to. All the drama, exaggerated self-importance, angst and wide-eyed innocence you could ever want in one convenient package.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

mayonaise
snail
silverfuck
sweet sweet
drown [their best song ever]

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

nb the live version of 'silverfuck' recorded at brixton academy, 1993(4?) and on the viewphioria video/cd captures the *exact moment i realised corgan/the pumpkins were totally full of shit

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

ie i was at that show, and they never needed to cover 'over the rainbow', ever.

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Instead, it needed to be "The Sound of Music."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Said Sadly
Mouths of Babes
My Blue Heaven (a cover, but still wicked)
Mayonnaise
Zero
Eye
Ava Adore

Erock Lazron, Monday, 29 August 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

alright, i'm gonna have to say it, Machina just wasn't made right. the production kills that album, whereas Adore the production's so slick, it's too glossy. i know, some people would say that about EVERY SP release, but, the only trks off Adore i can even listen to are the singles, and that's after years of trying. Machina...well...i'll just pop it on every so often just to skip around and finally put in Machina II:FaEoMM. it rips the skin off Machina and makes it do push ups in vinegar!

other tracks to seek, not destroy---
Apathy's Last Kiss
Bullet Train to Osaka
La Dolly Vita
Plume
Smiley
Groover (Gravity Demo)
Razor (never recorded, but played live '90/91 era)
Try to Try (not to be confused w/ TryTryTry, another '90/91 era live)

MOuths of Babes is certainly a GREAT b-side, as is Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right).

it's a shame they never recorded some of the stuff they'd do live (Rattler/Razor/Try to Try).

Eye would get honorable mention.

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

alright, i'm gonna have to say it, Machina just wasn't made right. the production kills that album, whereas Adore the production's so slick, it's too glossy. i know, some people would say that about EVERY SP release, but, the only trks off Adore i can even listen to are the singles, and that's after years of trying. Machina...well...i'll just pop it on every so often just to skip around and finally put in Machina II:FaEoMM. it rips the skin off Machina and makes it do push ups in vinegar!

other tracks to seek, not destroy---
Apathy's Last Kiss
Bullet Train to Osaka
La Dolly Vita
Plume
Smiley
Groover (Gravity Demo)
Razor (never recorded, but played live '90/91 era)
Try to Try (not to be confused w/ TryTryTry, another '90/91 era live)

MOuths of Babes is certainly a GREAT b-side, as is Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right).

it's a shame they never recorded some of the stuff they'd do live (Rattler/Razor/Try to Try).

Eye would get honorable mention.As would the cover of "Dancing In the Moonlight"

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

ACK!
double post!!!
mod, please erase 1st.

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't really stand 33 anymore because of the christian imagery in the lyrics that in retrospect seems to be the beginnings of the "god speaks throught me" rock star concept album phase... i.e. when the pretensiousness got unbearable.

Laney, Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't stand any Smashing Pumpkins lyrics from Mellon Collie on because THEY MAKE NO FUCKING SENSE

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

But I KNEW THE SADNESS OF THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember some of the lyrics making sense to me when I was 15. A decade on they don't have the same potency. (Listening to the words full stop seems like a tremendous waste of time these days)

Laney, Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

thirty-three
1979
soma
luna
hello kitty kat
medellia of the gray skies
zero
pennies
disarm
whir

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Sunday, 11 September 2005 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

DISARM still hits my sweet spot tbh

ian, Thursday, 27 August 2009 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

would agree

heard rhinoceros for the first time in over a decade the other day, sounded awesome

king boy pamito (electricsound), Thursday, 27 August 2009 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

that track, it gets so BIG. i still remember though it must be 5+ years since i've heard it

jergins, Thursday, 27 August 2009 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

rhinoceros is an essential smashing pumpkins track

sylvia plathter cathter (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 28 August 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d93Yvmz4vuQ

any songs recorded while billy still had long hair are pretty essential

sylvia plathter cathter (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 28 August 2009 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link

gish & siamese dream are truly lovely albums. if BC hadn't been such a dickcheese this band would have been much more highly regarded now than they are.

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/photo/2001-06/236343.jpg

MIDIchlorian (latebloomer), Friday, 28 August 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

ha, DID NOT MEAN TO POST THAT PIC WITH THAT POST, BUT LMAO ANYWAY

MIDIchlorian (latebloomer), Friday, 28 August 2009 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

What about "Lucky 13" and "Slow Dawn"?

claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Friday, 28 August 2009 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link

six years pass...

rotten apples
luna
muzzle
if there is a god
jellybelly
for martha
porcelina of the vast oceans
thru the eyes of ruby
blank page
meladori magpie
snail
geek usa
siva
rocket
soma
where boys fear to tread
fuck you
set the ray to jerry
i of the mourning
thirty-three
vanity
speed kills
glass & the ghost children
valentine
wishing you were real
soot & stars
here is no why
mellon collie and the infinite sadness
autumn nocturne
pastichio medley
xyu
with every light
soothe
plume
hello kitty kat
appels + oranjes
i am one
home
blank
ugly
beautiful
so very sad about us

flappy bird, Saturday, 3 October 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link

The thing I really liked was the kinda Hendrix styled riffs on the first album on like "I Am One", "Siva" and "Bury Me". They are all kind of plays off the same style but those were the tracks that caught me early on.

earlnash, Sunday, 4 October 2015 01:23 (eight years ago) link

autumn nocturne
valentine
wishing you were real
soot & stars
so very sad about us

I thought I was a relative SP completist but I have no idea what any of these are!

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 October 2015 03:53 (eight years ago) link

"Annie-Dog" from ADORE is a stunner.
"Obscured"
"Cash Car Star"
"The Aeroplane Flies High"
"Age of Innocence"
"Pissant"

beamish13, Sunday, 4 October 2015 05:42 (eight years ago) link

Let Me Give the World to You

hhoffman, Sunday, 4 October 2015 09:13 (eight years ago) link

siva
cherub rock
geek usa
1979
appels + oranjes
whir
hello kitty kat
obscured
starla
eye

hey wow that makes ten

brimstead, Sunday, 4 October 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link

i tried, i really tried, but for me this is an all-SD and MCIS list...

01 Mayonaise (my one must-have pick)
02 Thru the Eyes of Ruby
03 Rocket
04 Cupid de Locke
04 Cherub Rock
05 Where Boys Fear To Tread
06 Tonight, Tonight
07 Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
08 Silverfuck
09 1979
10 Muzzle

This is definitely a "best" rather than a "sampler" list - maybe not showing all the things they did well or tried to do, but w/e. There's tons of stuff I like or love on Gish and Adore and even Machina but if I'm honest with myself about what I'd absolutely have to save from this band if the earth caught fire, this is it. Sturm und drang and the wash of inchoate rage and romantic disaster against the voice of Billy Corgan, hopeful little dreamboy amongst the flowers. The best psychedelia of the 90s? The fucking weirdest guitar rock albums to sell millions and millions of copies to however many equally wide-eyed and secretly precious teenage souls? God this was a great band in its day.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link

Rhinoceros
Mayonnaise (despite my aversion condiment)
Soma
Drown

A few years ago I realized this was all the SD I needed.

the cuddling of the american behind (how's life), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link

SP

the cuddling of the american behind (how's life), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link

i kind of want to make a mix editing together a bunch of billy's guitar solos, pastichio medley style

brimstead, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link

I thought I was a relative SP completist but I have no idea what any of these are!

"soot and stars" is a machina b-side, a relatively pretty piano ballad. it was on that b-side collection they included with some copies of the greatest hits. the others iirc are on various demo comps. "autumn nocturne" is a hilarious pick for "essential" sp

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link

i kind of want to make a mix editing together a bunch of billy's guitar solos, pastichio medley style

― brimstead, Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes! this is the first one that came to mind-

2:12 to 2:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzBVvD1vUvM

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link

2:20 to 2:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbPCMoAFHAg

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

nice

brimstead, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link

i have signed up to do the Smashing Pumpkins poll and it will be more than 20 picks.

so in about 3 years...

Bee OK, Friday, 9 October 2015 06:07 (eight years ago) link


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