who would be Corgan's My Dinner With Andre foil? Courtney?i'd probably watch this. probably not a stretch to imagine some future reality show, with corgan triying to produce courtney's new record.
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
or how about Malkmus HA
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Malkmus can be a good lyricist, though he annoys the shit out of me sometimes...
Corgan has semi-decent moments, but he's not as good a lyricist as Malkmus, but I think he's really good at composing. If the only Pumpkins songs you hear are Cherub Rock and 1979 you're not going to know how, say, the best songs in Siamese Dreams & MCIS take strange left turns themselves and resist conforming to verse-chorus structures; think of the "I want to turn you on" part of "Today" where not only do those huge bright sunshinely guitars turn sinister on a dime, but the implicit dark undercurrents of the song ("Can't wait til tomorrow/May not have that long") break free and threaten to wreak havoc on the foreground...
You guys act like Corgan's on some BTO horseshit...I wish Ned or DJP would come in here & back me up...
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't disagree - on those first two albums there's some really inventive song structures, it's all very well planned out. I remember reading something Corgan said at the time about how if you're going to have a 10-minute song you need to make sure that it has a bunch of different parts that evolve into one another and fit together (which kind of isn't true in a general aesthetic sense, but you can hear this approach in the songs themselves)
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
just went and listened to "Today" — oh shit I remember this song! I used to like it as a kid, never knew it was by the Pumpkins. dude's voice is even worse than I remember tho :/
― there is a lout that never goes "aight" (bernard snowy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
To be honest, I'd rather listen to Siamese Dream and Gish when I want a rare fix of that Alan Moulder wall of sound.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire output of a band Blur ended up trumping and who aren't fit to lace MES' shoes
yo
I mean, who cares what SP's lyrics are like, they write awesome cinematic spiralling unpredictable massy and often sublime music
my 2c
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i keep meaning to do a one CD edit of melon collie, that and use yr illusions I&II
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Corgan's voice really is insufferably whiny and thin. it's kinda passable when he's doing the quiet/breathy/dreamy thing but ugh when he starts trying to emote and sing louder it's just... ugh.
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
his range seems insanely limited too. like I doubt the guy can even range two octaves.
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
true, but he's actually got a pretty great scream, when he stops trying to sing actual notes.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
LJ: bringing the otm to a sad and bereft thread!
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
neither one of these bands can fuck with bob seger
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
few can
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
also, I like the pink disc on MCIS, but imo the blue disc, taken by itself, would probably be second only to Pisces Iscariot as far as best Pumpkins album.
But I have weird (you could say challenging) opinions when it comes to the Pumpkins...
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Saw a new Smashing Pumpkins show on TV the other week at a bar while waiting for my friend's band to start. At one point a bunch of professional wrestlers interrupted the show and were like "Stop the show! We're not letting you play anymore!" and there was punching and some wrestling right in the middle of this SP concert and I think Billy was even involved in some of the wrestling. Then at the end of the skit one of the wrestlers (wearing a skeleton costume) was victorious and he was a friend of the SP so he and Billy held up their arms in victory and all the wrestlers left the stage. Then they went into "Zero" or something. It was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Bob Seger: bringing the overrated to a world that was doing just fine on its own
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
(also where's that pic?)
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
pavement
― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
EMPTINESS IS LONELINESSLONELINESS IS CLEANLINESSCLEANLINESS IS GODLINESSAND GOD IS EMPTYJUST LIKEMEEEEEEEEEEEE
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
^on the pink disc
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
EMPTINESS IS LONELINESSLONELINESS IS CLEANLINESSCLEANLINESS IS GODLINESSAND GOD IS EMPTYAIN'T IT FUNNYHOW THE NIGHT MOVES?
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:04 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
myonga's seger bootleg is KILLING it in my headphones right now omg
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/class-in-session/Content?oid=892764found this article while googling for pavement/ashbery info — too funny not to post
Many of the lyrics on this album sound like they were transcribed at the back of a town meeting somewhere in Connecticut, with talk about stiff upper lips, visas, voice coaches, limousines, perfectly prepared roasts, wedding invitations, and so on. You almost expect to get a note from Malkmus--within three days of course--thanking you for buying the record.
― there is a lout that never goes "aight" (bernard snowy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"are pavements the vampy weekend of 1997?"
― there is a lout that never goes "aight" (bernard snowy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
timely: Former Smashing Pumpkins bassist D'arcy Wretzky jailed for letting her horses run wild, then not paying the ticket http://bit.ly/hF5dhz
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought she was dead
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
joeks, m@tt, about Seger: I really need to check out his early stuff sooner or later.
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
is D'arcy still smoking crack?
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
also: here's the pic
What are the best/essential Smashing Pumpkins tracks?
just say NO to collagenhttp://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/archives/darcy_wretsky_smashing_pump.jpg
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Corgan looks like one of those kids who's prematurely aged 50 years
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
All this talk about lyrics reminds me once again how lyrics generally don't matter unless you already like the music, and sometimes not even then. I can't remember past "cool kids never had the time" or any of the choruses for smashing pumpkins songs.
I think pavement bros are mostly the same kind of people that have a much higher opinion of lyrics than me (whether they *truly* care for pavement lyrics or not). It has something to do with how most pavement bros just happen to be some sort of literary geeks for whatever odd reason.
Maybe I'm guessing too wildly here but I like this (self created) stereotype because I consider a lot of ILM bros to be book-minded people. I mean, why would anyone read Pitchfork for any other reason than liking to read things about music? Pitchfork scores and their top picks are likely turn everyone off except for lyric/book-minded nerds. Again, this is just a wild accusation based on my wild stereotyping.
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
lyrics generally don't matter unless you already like the music,
this is not how I listen to music, sorry.
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
so in my case maybe your stereotype is correct lol
(I was raised by a librarian)
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
days of being wild
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i like reading and pavement, it's true
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
sweet lord fucking jesus this is the fucking pixies vs placebo thread all over again. too obvious, i'm not falling for it. where is my tin foil hat.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
spiralli just you wait until I start The National vs Trail of Dead
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
trail of dead easy
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ya obv but I fear for ILM
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Trail of Dead even though Source Tags and Codes sounds like Couch's Fantasy with superfluous vocals
I like reading too
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
The National is a bad analogue for Pavement, tbh. Vampire Weekend is a better one. Maybe. IDK. ffs.
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Spoon?
nah Spoon are all clean edges and crispness and subtle production
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
like a good spoon
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Spoon works just fine...
― kkvbgz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe you should do that poll (National vs. ...AYWKUBTTOD) just so that I can know for sure whether I need to fear for ILM
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't see any similarities between Spoon and Pavement, sorry. VW has the patrician/preppie thing but well, Pavement were never interested in African music
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, why would anyone read Pitchfork for any other reason than liking to read things about music?
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:18 (11 minutes ago)
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link