Voted pumpkins.Have owned 2 pavement albums, 0 pumpkins.Currently have 0 songs by either.Have seen both in concert. pumpkins booed off stage opening for rhcp.Comes down to a very low tolerance of clever/jokey/ironic songwriting which Pavement is full of.
― bnw, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a weird Sarah Palin effect with Corgan here - like the more he gets bashed/criticized the more his fans take that as a sign of his righteous genius
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
SP is just the same deal album after album. I guess they went for the electro-craze/drum machines back then, but who didn't? Not like a particularly ingenius move.
but holy shit at final votes, i voted pavement but surely thought billy corgan & the zeros would win.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I feel like Shakey Mo is reading a different thread. I see a few people trying to explain why they like/voted for the Pumpkins but I don't see a whole lot of butthurtedness.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
meanwhile Pavement is easily one of the least interesting bands on Matador; you guys deserve schmindie!
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:04 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
lol i love when ppl say this like they're all o.g. with their railroad jerk lps or something
Suggest Ban Permalink― call all destroyer, Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:33 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
oh you've mentioned the Railroad Jerks; way to prove me wrong. It's almost as if Yo La Tengo, GBV, Liz Phair, Moonshake, Bailter Space, Bardo Pond, The Fall, Superchunk, Bettie Serveert, Couch, Helium, and Unsane weren't every one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavement
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Couch!
Come Up With The Most Boring Band Name Possible
― ledge, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Would take Yo La and Moonshake over both fer sure.
― bnw, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to jvc2; I'm certainly being a bit butthurt, but yeah Shakey's reading another thread:
like where is he getting this from?
I'm not even that huge of a Pumpkins fan anymore, pretty big in high school, still think they have a bunch of good songs, but they're nowhere near my favorite band. I'm more pissed about Pavement getting all these accolades...wtf? CR, CR is the way-more-boring predecessor for whatever super-excoriated indie record gets mountains of abuse heaped on it?
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
bnw otm most of those other bands are better than Pumpkins too
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just makin up strawmen don't mind me. probably inferring to much from his slavishly compiled wikipedia entry
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
too much
I'm not saying frightening Corganites that defend his every move as if holy scripture don't exist, I just don't see any of them on this thread.
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Pavement are the poor man's Cracker.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
rich man's Cracker
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
cracker man's pavement
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
god damn the cracker man
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Smashing Pumpkins are the whiny cracker's My Chemical Romance
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
MCR for the Malkmus Generation
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
smashing pumpkins is the pop band equivalent of the movie Krull. Krull can be a ton of fun to watch, but all the while you are - consciously or not - making allowances for the fact that it is Krull. likely you were kinda young when you first saw it and you still have some fond memories. most people will probably get on board with Krull being kinda fun once in a while, but if you try to compare it to a real movie, that's just embarrassing for everyone concerned.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
rmde
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
nah SP are more like a great-looking big budget sci-fi flick that's ultimately kind of vapid and in love with itself but still pretty enjoyable on a visceral level and respectable for some of its craftsmanship. Pavement seem more like Krull based on your description.
― some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
"the railroad jerks"
was this on purpose or
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
lol no not really
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
hahah ok
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
nah SP are more like a great-looking big budget sci-fi flick that's ultimately kind of vapid and in love with itself but still pretty enjoyable on a visceral level and respectable for some of its craftsmanship
sooo... Fifth Element?
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Kinda, but there's not a trace of any FIFTH ELEMENT tongue-in-cheek in SP. Enfold a fourteen year-old's sense that everyday's-the-end-of-the-world-melodrama-a-dozen-exclamation-marks and you might be close.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
p sure the emptiness is loneliness quote is supposed to be tongue in cheek...
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
My thirteen year-old soul knows that every word that left Corgan's mouth meant what it said, nary a trace of irony.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Corgan is one lyricist where i have absolutely no idea to what degree he really means it and how much is calculated or ironic or condescending to the audience
― some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
if Yo La Tengo, GBV, Liz Phair, Moonshake, Bailter Space, Bardo Pond, The Fall, Superchunk, Bettie Serveert, Couch, Helium, and Unsane weren't every one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavement
Whoa whoa guys let's walk away before somebody says something they're gonna regret and not be able to take back.
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
xp well he did release a book of poetry so that's one clue imo
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
So did Jewel, that really doesn't get us anywhere.
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
? what about Liz Phair, Phil ?
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Corgan's a straight shooter, yes. Don't much care for him beyond, y'know, SIAMESE-DREAM-AND-THAT-ONE-SONG-ON-THE-SINGLES-SOUNDTRACK-4-EVA, but I've never detected a bit of lyrical indirection on his part.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean even assuming we're restricting ourselves to Liz's Matador output, that still leaves us most of Whitechocolatespaceegg to contend with, of which "Cut Your Hair" and "Range Life" alone are better.
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
hahaha i think that actually gets us a lot of places!
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Let's hope this all leads to a convoluted New-York-School-Poets analogy.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually Phil you're kinda right...haven't heard much of WCSE but CR, CR is a better album than Whip Smart (though I'll take the best songs from the latter over the best from the former in a heartbeat)...I guess I just thought Exile is _that_ good that it could take the handicap of her subsequent output and still comes out better than Pavement...
...and it would, if it weren't for Gary Young, he is easily the most appealing part of the Pavement mythos. The rest is proto-Anco horse-hockey
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
in short: "Malkmus? More like Chalkmus, amirite?"
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
proto-anco? do i even want to know?
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
horses play hockey now?
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I've said too much!
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
no way, bob nastanovich was a riot in concert. guy was non-stop energy, even ambushing & gagging one of the crew guys at one point.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
pavement are one of those bands - probably because they're so normal, and thus serve as sort of a blank slate onto which people can project whatever they're feeling at the time - about which people have these crazy emotional irrationalities and theories about. proto-anco? what the hell does this mean? your problem is probably with their canonization, dude, not their music. they were just a fuckin indie rock band
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, they were a great indie rock band that wrote great songs, but come on
yeah I don't really see any similarities with Animal Collective. they're both composed of white guys, I guess?
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
guys! i don't want to know!
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
a huge part of the appeal of pavement for me was basically considering it the band me & my friends would sound like if we were all even capable enough to form one. and that this band didn't suck.. it was like the idealistic version of one.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
bullshit fuckin poll
― absolutely better display name (crüt), Sunday, 24 July 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link