100 Reasons why FLOWERS OF ROMANCE is fucking awesome

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redfaced retraction of reason 15, just listened to it again over lunch. it actually is almost entirely self-played. still their best album though.

jl (Jon L), Monday, 15 September 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

16 -"I've got binoculars/On top of Box Hill" - a weirdly evocative, very English line. And one that stood out for me, because I grew up in the area, and my dad always used to take me out walking there as a kid. Actually, there's a grave on top of the hill, occupied by a man who stipulated he should be buried vertically, with feet pointing towards the sky. That filled me with a morbid fascination as a kid, and every time I listen to the song, I'm always reminded of it.

Jason J, Monday, 15 September 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

thank you -- an improvement ? well it might resolve those levine issues for me -- yeah ok lydon i can give credit too, and i don't even no the drummers'names -- and levine was ott evreywhere on his recent publicity junket i agree
it's just that i've seen that striking cover picture so many times on cds in [US$]2 type sale bins where i haven't seen any other PiL that i'd given up on that album being any use to anyone -- and perhaps that can be pointed at levine if it's more his album than the others -- so am heading for one of those sale bins today

george gosset (gegoss), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 02:05 (twenty years ago) link

because when i brought it home and played it my sister came in, heard the noise and thought the dishwasher was exploding.
that cover girl dances flamenco in combat boots, to be sure. myself, i prefer glide dental floss to a thorny rose branch.
best to have the album, admire the picture once in a while and play it very very loud, not very often.

wuperetta, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 07:25 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
17. Can it be emphasized enough how stellar the production is? It just sounds amazingly fresh, like 23 Skidoo's singles from that year (and Seven Songs the next year), or The Comsat Angels - Sleep No More, or This Heat's "24 Track Loop".

18. The rhythm section on U2's "Bullet the Blue Sky" is a COMPLETE rip-off of "Banging the Door" and boy is it better in the original context!

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 18 June 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

ALLAH-LAH-LAH!!!!
(pause)
D-DD-D-D-D-DD-DD-DD-DD...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Saturday, 18 June 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

HAHAHA! About two years ago I was at a friend's birthday party and her step-cousin's boyfriend set up a "drumkit" (a snare, a guitar case, and few other random things) and I started pounding out the rhythm to "Four Enclosed Walls" and two guys joined in and played over it even though they didn't know what the song was (and they thought I was mimicking a drum machine!). The result sounded a like a twisted cousin of New Order's "Everything Gone Green" sans synthesizer.

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 18 June 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

so i bought this after reading the praise for it here and have to say it's nowhere near as good as metal box. where the hell is keith's guitar? oh right, he's traded it in for a synth apparently. i'm guessing he ran out of guitar ideas by this point since the only track that has him playing it ("go back") sounds like pieces of various guitar lines off of metal box all crammed into one song. (well, 'track 8' has guitar too and admittedly pretty cool sounding at that).

Amon (eman), Saturday, 18 June 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

interesting that martin atkins recycled the rhythm of the title track years later on one of the pigface albums ('gub' maybe?)

Amon (eman), Saturday, 18 June 2005 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually adore the live version on the roundly derided Live in Tokyo.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), September 13th, 2003.

OTM! I experienced that on video a few years ago and now everytime anyone even says "Flowers of Romance" I think of that version of the song. Such a heartfelt performance on John's part! And the end of that video is hilarious - these Japanese kids all swarm around him on the street, starstruck, asking for autographs and he looks at the camera and says, motioning to them deadpan, "Ladies and Gentlemen, The Beatles."

I don't think the album is so bad, but for me the problem lies in the fact that "Four Enclosed Walls" & "Banging The Door" dwarf everything else on it.

and I started pounding out the rhythm to "Four Enclosed Walls" and two guys joined in and played over it even though they didn't know what the song was (and they thought I was mimicking a drum machine!). The result sounded a like a twisted cousin of New Order's "Everything Gone Green" sans synthesizer.

Damn, I would have liked to have heard that!

Incidentally I pulled out Comsats' Sleep No More recently. I remember feeling sorry for you Ian in the sense that if you expect anyone here to recommend you something as good as that well...in my opinion you might be waiting forever! To me that one is in a class all by itself. I guess there are other things possibly similar to it, but I just can't seem to sit anything beside it with ease. Deeply entrenched in my psyche, that record.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 19 June 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

It's just ok. The title track and "Under The House" are great.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 19 June 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Yep, best, most consistent album PiL released. Maximal minimalism.

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 19 June 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I.M., you're back! Or maybe I've missed yer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
19. Because coming after "Metal Box", it wasn't a disappointment!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 06:39 (seventeen years ago) link

20.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 October 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick Launay

What sort of band's have you worked with since PiL?

Around that time I also recorded Kate Bush's 'The Dreaming' album. In fact, we used PiL's bass on Kate's LP, Kate loved the tone so much she wanted to buy it. Just after 'Flowers of Romance' I did Killing Jokes: 'What's This For'. The Gang of Four's: 'Capitol', and 'To Hell with Poverty'. The Slits: 'Earthbeat'. The Birthday Partys: 'Release the Bats' and 'Blast Off' for the Junk Yard LP. Virgin Prunes: 'Pagan Love Song'

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i.e.

20. Nick Launay

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

(linked by Edward III on the other flowers thread)

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

21. In the top 5 of most bizarro major label releases, mingling among Metal Machine Music, Trout Mask, and Second Edition

22. Unheralded prescient Arabic influence

23. Lydon's lyrics: nonsensical, memorable, chilling
Joan of Arc was a sorcerer

24. Lydon's phrasing of said lyrics
spread her body / naked and silly / a bulbous heap / batting her eye / lids

25. Because albums based entirely around huge drums are awesome

26. Sounds great when you're at the end of your rope

27. Can be found cheap almost anywhere, because bunches of PiL fans bought it and hated it

28. Pop-album-as-irritant is an underutilized approach

29. It's punk rock as fuck

30. Good for scaring unwelcome guests and roommates

31. Will never show up on Top X Album of X lists, unless category is see #21

32. Reading about the circumstances of its creation is almost as entertaining as listening to it

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

33. "we need a strong opening for this album" = Martin's Mickey Mouse pocket watch sitting on a floor tom + two harmonizers with 15 second delay feedback

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

34. extension of above sound for longer than anyone possibly expects when first hearing it.

35. the title track's muezzin-call freakiness.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

36. public image limited sucks and johnny rotten is too obnoxious for anyone to listen to unless you can't read (then he's lots of fun, i'm sure). the album has a fantastic cover that makes you think they've figured something out when in reality "they've" just made more comfy, genre-baiting, college student/middle aged white fart-referencing, and reactionary songs-as-turds on a platter.

corey c (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:55 (seventeen years ago) link

36. still manages to piss people like corey c off

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

37. Drum sound was inspiration for "In The Air Tonight".

Carlos 2, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Veto.

Mark G, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link

38. The Warner CD cuts off right when the noise stops on "Francis Massacre," so if you're listening to it late at night with the sound way down you hear the sudden, jarring sound of the CD stop spinning.

Metal Box pulls a similar trick with the groove of "Swan Lake" going all the way to the label, I think.

eatandoph, Thursday, 22 November 2007 04:55 (sixteen years ago) link

39. Even the outtakes amaze.
40. As scary as Lydon's vocals are on the title track, the instrumental b-side is even scarier.
41. When the band toured America for this album, they brought a zillion drums onstage for the only song they played from it; "Under The House," and even Levene and Lydon played drums.
42. The UK CD has three bonus tracks.
43. It was delayed for about a year, and I remember everyone claiming that it was because their label was forcing them to come up with a more "commercial" sound. Ha!

deedeedeextrovert, Thursday, 22 November 2007 06:49 (sixteen years ago) link

44. That "girl on the cover" now co-runs Rough Trade.

deedeedeextrovert, Thursday, 22 November 2007 06:50 (sixteen years ago) link

45. http://991.com/newgallery/Liars-They-Were-Wrong-S-275162.jpg

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 22 November 2007 08:37 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

THIS ALBUM HAS BEEN DESTROYING MY LIFE RECENTLY

The Portrait of a Lady of BJs (the table is the table), Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a black hole, unreal album

m@tt (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link

i just to walk around boston listening to this on headphones really loud, for some reason. good memories actually.

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:48 (fourteen years ago) link

USED to walk around

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link

last time I listened to it I felt like its time had kinda passed for me :/

brad whitford's guitar explorations (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 23 April 2010 11:46 (fourteen years ago) link

obviously, it is a black hole of an album, but there's something about it that gets me very exuberant....i find its insistence and persistence really admirable.

The Portrait of a Lady of BJs (the table is the table), Monday, 26 April 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

glad this thread exists, hearing this for the first time, this will be my listening for the next few weeks

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

where do i read about the making of this album

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

text friend saying thanks for the record, his response

46. This is what happens when you kick spurs fans out of your band

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

20. Nick Launay

― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:28 (4 years ago)

xp

hello I love you but I've chosen darkness my old friend (Edward III), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

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Crackle Box, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

where do i read about the making of this album

― Crackle Box, Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:50 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

some good stuff on it in "rip it up and start again"

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

five years pass...

in case you forget drums it will remind you what a drum is

j., Monday, 5 December 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link

how have we only gotten to 46 here

sleeve, Monday, 5 December 2016 02:28 (seven years ago) link

I dunno, but this album fucking rules and is up there with the first two PiL records, IMO.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Friday, 9 December 2016 22:26 (seven years ago) link

Finally found the CD, in Rome of all places.

(Two weeks later, it was found in HMV Reading, but hey)

Mark G, Friday, 9 December 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link

This album has always been kinda boring but I love its sound.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 December 2016 23:31 (seven years ago) link


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