Underworld - Classic or Dud?

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curiously enoght it was through underworld that i found this site. i frequently post on the foums at [url]http://www.dirty.org[/url] and fellow poster [b]girlthursday[/b] (minna) posted a link to this site.

i like all of their albums but [i]dubnobass..[/i] is defintely my favourite. i love the fact that the albums contain pure dance floor killers next to more downtempo tracks like [i]dirty epic[/i] and [i] m.e[/i]

they are also jaw-droppingly fantastic live - i've seen them seven times - and they were really the pioneers of taking dance music into the live arena and in so doing paved the way for bands like [b] orbital, chemical brothers[/b] and [/b]the prodigy[/b] to follow in their footsteps.

there's plenty of their live gigs available on audiogalaxy including the superb european club gig. fans should also check out [url] http://www.underworldlive.com[/url] which is an official site where you can download soundboard recordings of some of their gigs as well as some recent studio stuff such as the blue mountain sessions.

matt, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

NOONE HAS MENTIONED "DARK AND LONG", NOONE. Well maybe someone, but it's a classic too.

Ronan, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

does anyone else hear the chords to Brian & Roger Eno's "Always Returning" in "Born Slippy"?
since "Deep Blue Day" (also from Apollo) was in the movie, is this a connection/(not so)hidden-reference?

Paul, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

five months pass...
'luetin' was playing on the radio as i drove home, and afterwards the dj said "Hardcore electronica from Underworld!" which i thought was funny

ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 00:04 (twenty-two years ago) link

Has anyone listened to "Tiny Clicks" and "Headset", the two "vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense" (as Dan puts it) b-sides on the "Two Months Off" single? Both excellent - "Headsets" in particular is pretty fabulous - and they'd be about the first time I've really warmed to Underworld's non-dancefloor biznizz. Will have to think about getting "A Hundred Days Off" now.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 September 2002 03:26 (twenty-two years ago) link

The hilarious thing is that "Winjer" is now one of my favorite songs off of _Beaucoup Fish_!

Those two tracks are great. I think I need to live with them a little more before they really sink in, but so far they're much better than, say, the ambient tracks on the "Pearl's Girl" single. (None of them can touch "Tongue", though.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:06 (twenty-two years ago) link

CLASSIC of course, Karl's lyrics and delivery an' all but again i urge you to seek out Underworld's early material if you like a larf...'change the weather', 'underneath the radar' esp. - i can almost see them supporting Talk Talk with It Bites on tour in 1987 hahahaha

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 12:19 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ronan, Dark & Long dropped into their live sets gets me going.

Alan (Alan), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:22 (twenty-two years ago) link

maybe we should do a Taking Sides - 'Dark & Long' vs 'Dark & Long (Dark Train)'

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 15:42 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Dark & Long" any day. That bass line is to DIE FOR.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 16:21 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmmmm they played Dark Train last time and it was pretty amazing.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 September 2002 09:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

they never played Dark Train or Dark & Long the times i saw them - bastads

blueski, Saturday, 21 September 2002 13:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
can anybody give me an explanation over the song born slippy? Tell me what is behind the lyrics... thnx

bart, Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Born Slippy is about placentas.

now, on to my ancedote, which is about how the promo vinyl we got for 'King of Snake' was a 12" and os I put it on at 33 and it was SUPER FUNKY like WOW until Karl's vox came in and it sounded like he was a dying robot from planet Opium. So I put it on 45 and it turned into house music, which while quite good was not nearly as enjoyable as the 33 version.

Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 18 January 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Dubnobasswithmyheadman- is tHe bEST underworld album. Fav track: Dirty Epic. anyone that don't like that song's gotta be heartless.

whoever (whoever), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 07:26 (twenty years ago) link

My fav one is Beaucoup Fish. Jumbo sounds more like Wire than Elastica ever did.

echo...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:16 (twenty years ago) link

I thought "Spoonman" off "Dubnobass..." was flippin' ace!!! No one I know seems to like it!!!!! Mind you, I like repetitive techno bollox!!!!!!

I also went to one of the concerts (Broadcast on Radio 1!!!!!) at around the time of "Dubnobass...", (The same night as they found the body of Kurt Cobain!!!!) and it was grebt/GRATE/etc!!!!! Unlike the recent "live" album, it was one big long DJ mix style jam, mixing in various bits of their songs. The track on the live album which mixes "Cowgirl" and "Rez" is nearest equivalent- imagine a whole concert like that with most of the tracks from "Dubnobass..." and an early version "Born Slippy"!!!! (I've actually got a tape of it somewhere, taped of the radio...)

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

OMG! I did the same 33-45 mistake with the "Kittens" promo, with the same effect: the slow version easily trumped the "right" version.

Anyways, Underworld is still classic because did I mention that "Tin There" is basically my favorite techno barnburner ever?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

I don't care how much everybody hates it, I think "Underneath the Radar" is a fucking GREAT 80s pop song.

The kickass house/blues romp "Big Mouth" (with some guy named Philadelphia Slim whom I've never heard of on harmonica!!) is another awesome underrated early Underworld song. Underworld kicks ass.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

total classic. however, i was one of those american kids who was rather impressionable when trainspotting came out and when record labels were trying to push 'electronica' down everyone's throats.. but stuff like dubnobassman, second toughest and the pearl's girl maxi single kept me around for good. second toughest is one of the albums ive played more consistantly than anything else over the last 5-6 years.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

www.freakytrigger.co.uk/underworld.html


(I'm sorry I won't pimp out that article ever again, this is the millionth time, prob haven't written anything decent for free since, it was 18 months ago)

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

Classic. They're one of the only bands my brother ever turned me on to. Second Toughest, I have to agree, is killer.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:56 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
I am listening to _Beaucoup Fish_ right now and realizing that the only song on it that I dislike is "Bruce Lee".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

the thread about electronic music that moves you reminded me of this band.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

DUD ^

24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

i love Bruce Lee, where does that female monologue come from?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

Hyde's lyrics are starting to annoy me more here and there these days, particularly on Luetin tho that is a fantastic track (a classic case of a track you are just casually listening to, a few minutes pass and then you just hit a moment and realise where you are who you are what's going on etc.)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

(Luomo's 'Synkro' is another example of that i found recently)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

The trick to Luetin for me is the strings. I often don't notice them come in, but I do, it's lovely. I can't even make out most of the lyrics on it though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

he says 'cokey cola'

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

And the ts thread re: "the chronic" reminds me of this thread in a Der-Ball-ist-rund-und-das-Spiel-dauert-90-Minuten sense, i.e. of course "the chronic" wrecks snoop's shoppe and of course underworld is one of the few - very few - album-generating classic artists of dance music.

But I must ask: If Underworld's a dud, who's classic?


...Ball ist rund. Spiel dauert 90 Minuten. Soviel ist schon mal klar. Alles andere ist Theorie...

And I want to be called "Juanita." (nader), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, that does ruin the vibe, doesn't it?

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

Underworld is beyond classic.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

But he also says "he smokes his lungs like chicken"!!!!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

total fuckin' classic.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

Unbelievably classic. One of the best bands of the '90s; the first 30 minutes of "Second Toughest" is some of the best music I've ever heard. One of the few bands that the records just keep getting better for me and I still don't feel like I'm fully "into" them. This thread is making me go back and listen to Beaacoup Fish again, since I didn't really get into that one. Last year's record was absolutely terrific.

I love how each record they make gets more and more minimal, but it doesn't diminish the impact at all.

With the benefit of hindsight, Darren Emerson leaving seems to have been beneficial.

Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

I'd like to see an Emerson album, something that isn't some sort of shit Global Underground mix or Sasha collaboration

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 May 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Does anyone else have trouble remembering what Underworld songs are called? I could make a complete list of Underworld song titles and have no idea what songs they refer to, minus Cups, Blueski, Born Slippy, and Stagger. And King of Snake and Bruce Lee (duh).

That said, they are one of my faves.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 26 June 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

I have a hard time remembering the titles of any of their pre-_Beaucoup Fish_ songs besides the singles.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

Second Toughest In the Infants would top my albums of the '90s list if I did such a thing.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

Second Toughest is my favorite. I listened to it every night at bedtime for a year.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 27 June 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

yes, stiti is an epic album and my second favorite album of the 90's. that reminds me that i need to buy another copy since mine is so beat up from constant use.

todd swiss (eliti), Sunday, 27 June 2004 19:27 (twenty years ago) link

Roxy you are very wise. What I love most about STITI is that it hasn't aged a damn bit since the day it was released.

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 28 June 2004 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

i got their 1991-2002 double cd collection thingy for $10 last week. bargain!! it's tops.

gem (trisk), Monday, 28 June 2004 06:07 (twenty years ago) link

I listened to _Second Toughest..._ recently to see if I was wrong way back when I labelled it as disspointing and boring. I wasn't. What the hell are you people seeing in this album? There's only one song on it that I ever want to hear EVER.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 June 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

Which song?

I think it would ride pretty high in my best of the 90s, FWIW. For all I know I might have bypassed electronic music almost entirely if not for that album and 'In Sides'

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 28 June 2004 13:36 (twenty years ago) link

"Pearl's Girl", of course!

"Juanite/Kiteless/Confusion The Waitress" would pass muster if it wasn't 8,000 years long.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Dan, you're listening too hard.

Mencap, me too! I owe it al to STITI. It's the record that got me into electronic music, house music, DANCE music even.

gem, is that comp really worth buying? Couldn't I just burn it myself? What's the appeal?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

Aha, now I understand I think; I'd been into electronic music for a good... what, seven, eaight years before _Second Toughest..._ came out and needed no gateway.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not the biggest STITI fan, but I have to at least say it's the closest they've come to holding a mood. It's all very blue and cool. "Rowla" is the only thing on there comparable to the spiky "Dinosaur Adventure 3D" or "Cowgirl" but even it seems to fit somehow.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

qobuz has the track times. looks like mostly short tunes though "Gene Pool" is 9 minutes

https://www.qobuz.com/nz-en/album/strawberry-hotel-underworld/wbjl275992f9a

frogbs, Thursday, 5 September 2024 21:30 (two weeks ago) link

ml_sub=2563069657544135994&ml_sub_hash=g9y3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new_underworld_album_coming_october_2024&utm_term=2024-09-06

Lot to parse on that tracker.

Robespierre Delecto (sic), Friday, 6 September 2024 10:31 (two weeks ago) link

rest of the album = who knows

god, what are you doing, “best mamgu ever” is on there

ivy., Friday, 6 September 2024 11:17 (two weeks ago) link

Faxed Invitation too, man did that track grow on me

frogbs, Friday, 6 September 2024 11:38 (two weeks ago) link

Don’t blame me, blame “Ring Road”

laughter is the best weapon (DJP), Friday, 6 September 2024 11:50 (two weeks ago) link

i really like “ring road” bc there’s something wrong with me

ivy., Friday, 6 September 2024 11:55 (two weeks ago) link

"Techno Shinkansen" is on a game soundtrack, so we're able to hear all of side A now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfI1X9SMxZI

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 6 September 2024 12:07 (two weeks ago) link

xp Lol I actually don't mind the vocal as much as Boy Boy Boy's. Anyway I like the whole album. I just can't get with the moodier bits of Hundred Days and Beaucoup Fish.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 6 September 2024 12:07 (two weeks ago) link

website's updated. iifu.club domain is live ("i'm in fucking underworld" - i think was on a recent tour shirt?) but is just a mailing list signup form. New merch that doesn't yet make any sense without hearing the new songs (no strawberry jam girl shirts??). Nice looking double vinyl but no super duper not-sold-in-stores editions. Wallet safe for today.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 6 September 2024 12:15 (two weeks ago) link

ya Techno Shinkansen rules. i can't wait to play it on the Shinkansen someday lol

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 6 September 2024 12:16 (two weeks ago) link

very glad to be wrong about 11-15 being bonus tracks, I really do want "Gene Pool" on vinyl, that track is gonna be amazing

frogbs, Friday, 6 September 2024 19:19 (two weeks ago) link

listening to Underneath The Radar for the first time. well ... I like the cover.

default damager (lukas), Friday, 6 September 2024 21:31 (two weeks ago) link

I Need a Doctor is a fun song

The two Freur albums are definitely worth a listen, that second one especially has some damn catchy tunes on it

frogbs, Friday, 6 September 2024 23:47 (two weeks ago) link

yeah that's the one song I liked

default damager (lukas), Saturday, 7 September 2024 02:25 (one week ago) link

did they ever do any of the old stuff live?

scanner darkly, Saturday, 7 September 2024 17:56 (one week ago) link

No although Karl did do Doot Doot live during his solo shows

Would be hilarious if they just broke out “Stand Up” or something though. I still love that song.

frogbs, Saturday, 7 September 2024 18:03 (one week ago) link

wonder if there's gonna be any deluxe stuff on this. something I love about their 93-96 period is that they've released so much material from it (or it's been otherwise discovered), you get to hear how different songs developed, but all the in-between versions are good in different ways. you can really hear all the different guises their music can take using the same elements. I mean just look at how amazing all the "Dark and Long" stuff is. part of why I loved Drift is because it sorta got back to that

frogbs, Sunday, 8 September 2024 04:35 (one week ago) link

i saw some speculation that IIFU is going to be some kind of extra release thing, new and/or archival. One of the new merch things has "iifu mix" of one of the new tracks written on it. So there's something there.

i signed up for the list on iifu.club but no idea if that's just the existing newsletter.

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 8 September 2024 12:39 (one week ago) link

I’m not liking the newish post-Drift songs :(

Bad Bairns (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 10 September 2024 14:11 (one week ago) link

what were your fave Drift bits? Curious. Every record does feel like something new. But Drift was so all over the place that none of the newer songs would've been out of place there, for me.

for an act that's put out some seriously moody records, i think of them overall as so euphoric. I adore the new "single". I can't get enough of "Two Months Off" these days during workouts. The live version and (new) old version they put out a year or two ago are immense.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 11 September 2024 14:32 (one week ago) link

Found the 12 inch with Spoon Deep and Thing in a Book on it, almost forgot how good the B-side is, you could live inside that track

frogbs, Thursday, 12 September 2024 02:58 (one week ago) link

I have two different Dark & Long CD singles APR002CD and JBO19CDS) with 139 minutes (if you don't count the two tracks that are on both) of possibly my favourite music by Underworld.

StanM, Thursday, 12 September 2024 06:55 (one week ago) link

Yeah it’s tremendous music.

default damager (lukas), Thursday, 12 September 2024 07:17 (one week ago) link

Those two Dark and Long cds were their peak. I don’t know to what extent all the tracks were created from the same ingredients, but I really enjoyed when they would remix and transform the same track over and over

I am using your worlds, Thursday, 12 September 2024 08:08 (one week ago) link

at one point I did try to work it out...that choral/mellotron sounding bit from D&L shows up in Most 'Ospitable, the beats are remixed for "Dark Train", I think "Thing in a Book" uses the vocal bit...hard to say for sure since the tracks sound nothing alike. Pearl's Girl is even harder to figure out.

frogbs, Thursday, 12 September 2024 18:00 (one week ago) link

Nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61ufLW2PmxM

groovypanda, Friday, 13 September 2024 17:11 (one week ago) link


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