― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link
finally got around to hearing non-singles on this album, so great!
― deej, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link
the album is terrible and thicke is maybe the smarmiest singer ever and that one song w/ the teacher/pupil metaphor is really creepy
― lex pretend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link
and i LIKE about...three? four? of his songs
Come on, that album is pretty great, although 'Wanna U You Girl' is a bit misleading. I see him as some kind of male Sade for the 00's.
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 28 June 2007 07:52 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah it's got that same v enticing yuppie decadence, but it's totally spoilt by...his self-awareness maybe? he comes off like a performing seal sometimes. and when he doesn't it's bizarrely anonymous and flat! 'cocaine' and 'got 2 be down' are the two i'm actually feeling.
also really hating most of the lyrics. do not need to hear any more boys complaining that no one understands them because they're too complicated maaaaan.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 07:56 (seventeen years ago) link
You missed one of the best songs on the album, "Would That Make U Love Me"
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 28 June 2007 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link
I really, really wish that falsetto singers who aren't full-on belters like Phillip Bailey would stop performing live because all it does is make them sound weak and airy.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 28 June 2007 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link
I like the single, but on the BET Awards he did not sound that strong, and looked goofy with his thin little moustache and preppy vest sweater over tie plus old adidas sneakers look. His dancing and Jackie Wilson/James Brown falling to a knee moves were not that smoothly executed either.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 28 June 2007 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link
his lyrics are about as good as timberlake.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 28 June 2007 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link
also his voice is kinda weak live. saw him at the jazz cafe a while back. the girls ate it up cos of that song everyone loves (i like it too) but other than that, the albums kinda soporific.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 28 June 2007 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link
(My previous post was prompted by his BET performance, which was pretty much the definition of "weaksauce".)
― HI DERE, Thursday, 28 June 2007 13:23 (seventeen years ago) link
his album sounds convincing to me, and i don't get any fakeness from it. 'sade of the 00s' is overstating it maybe but its a similar vibe -
omg @ his wife: http://images.askmen.com/galleries/celeb-profiles-actress/paula-patton/pictures/paula-patton-picture-1.jpg
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link
have u been listening to anything in this vein recently dan? can you think of someone doing a similar vibe now that you think sings better?
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link
i'm not arguing, just wondering!
It beats Pharell, in any case.
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah i don't think he's anything but himself; trouble with that being dude is revolting. and double yeah, if he didnt annoy me enough already he gets to go home to paula patton?! what the shit.
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link
bearing in mind also that that pic up there is probly the worst i've ever seen of her
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link
The sound of a baby wailing in pain because its legs have been pulled off by cougars beats Pharell; come on now.
Justin Timberlake, actually!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link
"When I get You Alone" is amazing, wtf is wrong with you people?
― musically, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link
Apocalypse in five...four...three...
(xp)
― The Reverend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm kinda in the middle on this dude, I get the feeling I'd like most of the songs on his album (his newer one) taken out of context, but listening to it one stretch is a giant fucking chore.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link
timberlake is totally different! i'm being more specific that 'white dude doing soul,' like i can't actually imagine inviting a girl over and then putting on timberlake, its too omnipresent and obvious
there are some garbage songs on this album for sure, but there are some great ones also and when i listened to it yesterday the quality/crap ratio was pretty favorable
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link
(and timberlake being different goes beyond timberlake being popular ... he's also much less about sexytime babymaking music or whatever)
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link
'i need love' = foxxy
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link
the closest i've been listening to lately would be DWELE but obviously his stuff has a v. different production aesthetic, vibe-wise tho v. similar
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link
if i was a girl and a dude invited me over and put on this album i'd run away as fast as i could, i mean how can you even listen to 'teach u a lesson' without being really creeped out? it's vile!
― lex pretend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link
Nah, i've been playing this album pretty often at dinner parties (hate me now) and it's goen down pretty well. The two are pretty different. Thicke has a whole ballroom / light latin feel.
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 28 June 2007 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, I've noticed his penchant for bossa rhythms.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link
his first album is totally underrated. i think i'm the only person i've ever heard of who liked it.
― sean gramophone, Thursday, 28 June 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link
-- lex pretend, Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
almost every guy i talk to couldn't care less, but ladies love this
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
i dont know about that particular song tho, i'd have to listen again
'i need love' is the office fav
-- HI DERE, Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:23 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link
-- titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:18 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link
Have you guys not seen the performance of "Shooter" on the Tonight Show? He kicked asssss! Lil Wayne, too! They were unstoppable.
― Tape Store, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
I found it
― Tape Store, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
that song stands out in a bad way on the album
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah I've softened on my "Shooter" hate slightly but it's still horrible in the context of Tha Carter II (unless you mean on the Thicke album).
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Hearing "Oh Shooter" (not "Shooter") makes me really want to check out his first album. I really don't get why people love the Wayned "Shooter" so much. They took what was already a great track and in the most artless way imaginable added Lil Wayne dropping Diddygrunts and a verse about how homosexuals are keeping him off radio. Once I heard the original I felt no desire to go back.
― da croupier, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link
hah i meant horrible in the context of the thicke album, i thought it worked well in the carter ii where he was doing beats that were kind of all over the place from 'receipt' to 'fireman' or whatever (although i don't really need to hear it again or anything)
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
i hadn't heard the original when i heard the wayne version and i also love that donna summer/digital underground/soulja slim bassline
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link
i dont like hearing lil wayne in an otherwise graceful/classy candlelight romance context
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Wayne sounds fine on "All Night Long."
― da croupier, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
If Wayne's verse didn't already confuse what "Shooter" was about, the video adds fucking wacky neighbor hijinks. There's a reason this flopped.
― da croupier, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link
i think i like the song pharrell wrote best. its the most fun and funky in any case.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 28 June 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link
what song did pharrell write?
'teach u a lesson' is weird. Lyrics are kind of :-/ :-/ :-/
i'm down with the production aesthetic tho, and the vocals are cool, he knows how to not push his voice to hard, let it just sort of sit there
but yeah lyrics on that one are pretty wack
i agree that wayne is much better on 'all night long,' its like a standard R&B guest verse! less corny wayne showboating
― deej, Saturday, 30 June 2007 05:33 (seventeen years ago) link
lol posting about love songs alone on a fri night :(
hah i just had a holy shit moment when i realized that i had totally seen the video for his first single back in the day and been sorta o_O about it, totally didn't realize it was the same dude! what a shitty haircut! http://youtube.com/watch?v=nNg0ReHeTiM
― deej, Saturday, 30 June 2007 05:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Robin Thicke has been around for quite a while (he was writing kinda big pop songs in the 90s)
― Tape Store, Saturday, 30 June 2007 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link
And "Shooter" haters are ridiculously wrong! It's insane and awesome...my fav. single of last year!
― Tape Store, Saturday, 30 June 2007 05:48 (seventeen years ago) link
ok lex jr.
― deej, Saturday, 30 June 2007 05:57 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah i just think it's weird to think bricolage was going to be the fore-front of hip-hop as it got more and more pop, on some level it was always going to lead to girl talk. the court case just confirmed you couldn't make a mint off other people's records without paying them.
and this court case at worst confirms that "feel" vs notes-on-the-page is an issue, and if you push that issue, don't put jackasses in front of a jury
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link
Old Dolph @alshipley 2h2 hours ago
Pharrell issues statement: "Haven't they heard me sing? I'm clearly ripping off Curtis Mayfield, it's his family that...uh don't print this"3 retweets 10 favorites
― dow, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:25 (nine years ago) link
I think the thing about all these panic-type Matos/Wolk "chilling precedent" pieces that rubs me the wrong way is that, taken to their logical conclusion, they seem to suggest that musicians don't actually own what they create. I love sampling and homage as much as the next listener. And as a musician myself, I love it even more as I would venture to say every interesting thing I've ever done has its roots in me massacring an imitation of something else.
But at the same time, I find it kind of odd to be arguing that this stuff is essentially in the public domain. It's not. "Rappers' Delight" is one example of a song that, quite simply, wouldn't exist without what Chic did. Same for "Blurred Lines," however much a departure the actual song is from the inspiration. And the Bomb Squad/ Dust Bros. ethos. The idea that the creators should owe something more than "a debt of gratitude" doesn't seem far fetched to me.
One thing worth noting that I didn't know until a few years ago is that advertising regularly addresses the issue of feel and style. If you want to do a car ad in the style of Randy Newman or Leon Redbone, you pay a fee. It isn't as much as using an actual song, but it is something.
None of this is to say that there shouldn't be some updating for the 21st-century. But I would also argue that the Dre examples upthread demonstrate once again how limitations really do breed creativity. And at the end of the day, when you think about how awful the industry has been to the actual creators of music product, rules that require artists to be paid for the commercial usage of their appropriation isn't something I think we want to be backing away from.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 14 March 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link
If you want to do a car ad in the style of Randy Newman or Leon Redbone, you pay a fee. It isn't as much as using an actual song, but it is something.
iirc, Carlos Santana's lawsuit in 1990 set the precedent/terms for this:http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1990/Guitarist-Carlos-Santana-Sues-Miller-Beer-Over-Commercial/id-d2d871dcb18ffed5fe6403a1d2e7cb3c
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 14 March 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
tom waits sued frito-lay for the same thing, right? that was in '88
― bonkers candle ancestors (reddening), Sunday, 15 March 2015 01:17 (nine years ago) link
But advertising is different because a sound-a-like tricks people into thinking they're hearing the original artist, and therefore that the artist endorses ad syncs and that product in particular. No artist name is attached. Waits sued Frito-Lay for "voice misappropriation and false endorsement". Neither claim applies in the Blurred Lines case.
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, 16 March 2015 10:02 (nine years ago) link
but people might think Marvin Gaye had questionable ideas about sex!
― kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Monday, 16 March 2015 10:07 (nine years ago) link
Objection sustained
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, 16 March 2015 10:13 (nine years ago) link
― dow, Friday, March 13, 2015 7:25 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol this was retweeted yesterday by Kirk Mayfield, son of Curtis ;_;
― some dude, Monday, 16 March 2015 11:40 (nine years ago) link
Their's only one Curtis Mayfield funny how someone will try to be him and want to make a living off his hard wrk! #Fupayme #Mayfieldforever
Funny.
― how's life, Monday, 16 March 2015 11:52 (nine years ago) link
is ILM talking about this anywhere else:
http://defamer.gawker.com/kelly-clarksons-new-song-sounds-just-like-jimmy-eat-wor-1679262619
― gr8080, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
this is hilarious
― DJP, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
its insane
― gr8080, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
it was definitely brought up in a kelly clarkson thread
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
There’s a thing that Marcel Proust referred to as supersaturation. When the past, present, and future all become very clear and high-definition and surround-sound in one moment. My supersaturation came right after I performed on the BET Awards [in June 2014]. I dedicated the performance [of the song “Forever Love”] to my ex. And I came home, and my best friend of 20 years, Craig Crawford, said, “I saw your BET performance.” And I said: “Oh yeah! What did you think?” You know — excited. And he goes: “I gotta be honest with you, buddy. You’re kind of playing yourself. You look like a sucker.” And it hit me that I’d lost my perspective. What I thought was romantic was just embarrassing. And he said, “You should just go away for a while.” So I shut everything down. I took some time off to be with my son, and to be with my family and close friends. And the more time I took off, the more everything became clear.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
Going Thicke
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CWksoNpXsU
― bla.p, Thursday, 6 August 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
Genericke but fine.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 6 August 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
nicki verse lmao
but this song is a jam
― bla.p, Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
Incredible longread about how cursed this song was
― limb tins & cum (gyac), Sunday, 9 April 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link
There was a lengthy discussion in the “Pfork sux” thread
― hypnic jerk (morrisp), Sunday, 9 April 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link
really good article, one interestingly enough that seems to have mirrored the discussion of the song itself on ILX as it progressed over time (though conversation on it dried it after the trial mostly)
― Trout Fishing in America (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 April 2023 20:33 (one year ago) link