<i>It's cool I didn't really need to see the baby's first steps, seen one baby walkin' you've seen 'em all lol</i>
tbf this is the case for parents of every profession
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
well it's different coming home that night and seeing their 10th step than coming home 3 weeks later and seeing them run
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
Er, no? There's a big difference between a parent who can go home every day at 5 pm versus a parent on the road for extended periods of time.
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
That punk rock dad doc gets into this. Even Flea cries.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
jeez, you guys are reading context into it that wasn't there. aero said BABY'S FIRST STEPS...not BABY'S FIRST STEPS AND THEN ANOTHER 2 WEEKS WORTH OF WALKING.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
If that were the case, that baby would be clear out of the county by now.
― gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
"follow the tour bus, sweetie!"
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
Are you being deliberately disingenuous now or what. xxp
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
and then he comes back, and baby be downloadin' the set!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
johnny wasn't actually rebutting the point of aero's post, just missing/ignoring it to nitpick the specific wording, jeez guys.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
Pierced Arrows to thread
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
Are you being deliberately disingenuous now or what.
No, I'm not. aero made a thoughtful post about his own situation, but then capped it off with a dilemma that affects moms and dads in all professions. I pointed that out without considering the context that it might be a few more days before he gets to see it. Though, again, there are other professions besides musician that require extended travel (perhaps not for months or weeks at a time, but it could be several days before Jane at Widgets-R-Us gets to see her child walking because she's been in meetings across the country with her Taiwanese part suppliers).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
"curse this road life, I've missed baby's first step-ball-change"
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be pretty interested in reading an article on how the live side of the business has changed. Has it? Are ticket sales down too? In a way that doesn't just reflect the lousy economy?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
there's a lot of stuff about the summer touring circuit (and the increased economic necessity of it) in the new issue of Spin actually
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
I have a trench-level view of the attitude lowery is decrying, where I see ivy league college students trying to stroll into warehouse shows without paying the cover, or folks who "love this band" but spend more on their beer tab than they do at the merch table cuz they'll just download that shit later. that's not to say those ppl are disgusting savages, but maybe they just don't get the connection between that $5 cover or $10 CD and the $100 in gas the band needs to get to the next show. explaining those dependencies can sound patronizing or badgering, but it's as much of a reality as "tip your bartender", and arguing against it makes you sound like mr pink.
obv that's a microeconomics perspective, but that same attitude extends to the macro-level, and appears to be more widespread in younger generations. it's not a bad thing for somebody like lowery to pull back the curtain and explain some of the mechanics, to dispel some of the romanticism around being a musician. as mr aerosmith said, touring is one of the few ways to make money nowadays. some folks may say "boo hoo you have to go on the road with your blow and groupies, dl'ing yr album now" but touring is hard on the body and the soul for real, not to mention high risk - bands can be one van break-in away from losing everything they made on tour.
one million xps
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
^^ quality post
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone notice the price increases for album downloads on both Amazon and iTunes recently? In most cases just a buck or two but it's still significant (iirc, the standard was $8.99, now showing a mixture of $9.99 and $10.99 usd). Not sure if this is at all tied into the July 1st RIAA/ISP crackdown but thought it was interesting.
― musicfanatic, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
When was the standard ever 8.99? It's been 9.99 for as long as I can remember.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
blow & groupies:tour::big royalty checks:album
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
You know, one of the things I tried to find on the internet a couple years ago was:
"The price of LPs and singles through the years"
I remember being shocked at the price of singles going from 50p to 99p back in 1979 or so, albums were £2.99 or £3.99
Since then, they have yoyoed. I remember buying a BAD album for an extortionate £8 whenever it was,
And So On...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
Really? I don't remember ever seeing a 9.99 album with the exception of double albums. I could be wrong though, nevermind.
― musicfanatic, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
I remember buying a BAD album for an extortionate £8 whenever it was
this is the kind of childhood trauma i think about when i'm tempted to crack my cd-rs in a fit of guilt
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
Exactly.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I buy a ton of albums off itunes and the standard has been $9.99 for years.
― how's life, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
I still remember paying $19.99 + tax for Outkast's Aquemini CD at Warehouse Music back in '98. Don't miss those years.xpost
― musicfanatic, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
spend more on their beer tab than they do at the merch table
Wait, who *doesn't* do this aside from teetotallers? Beer is expensive, man.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
"I still remember paying $19.99 + tax for Outkast's Aquemini"
Worth every penny.
― Gotye Sports (It's In The Name) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
lol you should have seen me at 90s Cure shows, I would basically buy one of every t-shirt
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
I think the first 3 times I saw them I dropped $300 on shirts without even blinking
then I looked at a pile of t-shirts that would take me a month to go through and I started blinking
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
Cor blimey. I don't have anywhere near enough money to do stuff like that. Anyway, even if I drop £15 on an LP at a show, I will have spent at least £20 on booze... I don't really think that because booze is expensive I should have to buy another bloody 7" or something, I've already paid in to the goddamn gig.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
Someone had to keep Robert Smith in hookers and blow eyeliner and pies xp
― gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
LOL@DJP's extensive shirt collection.
I don't go to a lot of shows (try living two hours from where anyone plays), but I chip in at the merch table when I can. Though one of the last shows I was at, it was nothing but vinyl. I guess that's great for some people, but I haven't had a turntable in 20 years.
The merch table at the Acid Mothers' show was mind-boggling. Musta been thirty albums laid out.
I refuse to pay eight bucks for a shot of cheap whisky.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
I usually buy a t-shirt if it's a band I'm really into, or if they have a good poster I'll score one of thsoe
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
*those
Aimee Mann @aimeemannThanks for the update! RT @darklordjames: @aimeemann You and most musicians need to learn that your product isn't worth $10 any more.
Thanks for the update! RT @darklordjames: @aimeemann You and most musicians need to learn that your product isn't worth $10 any more.
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
I have a box in our basement storage that has something on the order of 50 t-shirts in it, half of which are Cure and Prince concert t-shirts, that I haven't even opened in 11 years
in summation: 90s touring artists I saw, you are welcome
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Hahah um....
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Haha, Mat Mt, I'll only buy vinyl, so I feel that way about CDs... until I find out that actually the record will never be pressed on vinyl and I really should have bought the inferior format while I had a chance. I will buy demo CDs by new bands for a couple of quid, though, and the odd cassette release.
I wear a tie most of the time so I've kind of stopped buying band t-shirts, as it's difficult to rock a logo and a tie simultaneously.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
Mat Mt? I meant Matt M. Sorry for inadvertent anagramming.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
Make note aerosmith, there's a growing demand for band ties/tie pins out there these days
― gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
The ability to record and encode and share and stream music efficiently and inexpensively is the greatest thing.
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
"Free music" is like so bloody amazing I can't understand this argument.
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
Oh man, a proper band tie pin would be the most awesomely rad raddest thing.
xposts
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
guilty!
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
Lowery is like one of those American politicians who continue to insist that Americans *should* pay for health care.
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry I'm having my own private idaho right now, I just tuned in
OK but hey -- people also get to produce and distribute and consume video much more easily and inexpensively now than before the internet, but people who work in TV and movies and the monetized end of web video haven't had their livelihood remotely as endangered by the new reality. there could probably be some middle ground between that and what's happened with music.
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
I imagine if he read that his head would explode.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
― emil.y, Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:56 AM (35 minutes ago)
you clipped the end of my statement which implied spending $0 at the merch table. I'm talking about ppl who never visit a merch table but don't think twice about dropping $20 on beer because they can't download a beer for free. I guess if they could we would have a big long thread about the value of getting drunk and the long hours brewmakers spend cleaning out their tanks.
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link