Not missing, ignoring to serve up a tangential anecdote.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, it's the same concept. I bought a Gordon Lightfoot tune on iTunes and just got frustrated by how tough it was to move the thing around (this was in 2004 I think). But I think if you look somewhere around post #1000 this has been discussed at length already
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
I am quite certain that the vast majority of people procuring illegal copies of albums are not doing so because of bogarting publicists, so I'm really not sure what the point of the anecdote is beyond presenting a more defensible "well it's okay for ME to do it" argument
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
"As I glanced at my screen, ten ultra-rare discs I would have killed for way back when were streaming down to my living room for free."
but they aren't discs they are MP3s or whatever and they probably don't sound as good as the discs. who wrote this thing?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
so many boomers who come in my store are so proud to tell me how they spotify and itune and earbud and all that. dads always did love new gadgetry.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
A few nights ago at home, after putting the kids to bed, I was parked in front of the computer sipping bourbon. My wife asked me what I was doing. I told her I was going record shopping. As I glanced at my screen, ten ultra-rare discs I would have killed for way back when were streaming down to my living room for free.
This dude really needs to be punched in the dick if we're all being honest.
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
and just got frustrated by how tough it was to move the thing around
uggggggggggggh these mp3 files are so heavy!
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
they aren't discs they are MP3s or whatever and they probably don't sound as good as the discs. who wrote this thing? --scott seward
I think for most people the differences in fidelity are minor.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
kenny g is the guy that runs/puts all the content on ubuweb
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
Minor Infidelity..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
My first vinyl was probably Ghostbusters soundtrack. My parents had a big enough collection and i was, like, 4.My first tape was probably the Prince "Batman" soundtrackMy first CD was probably Weird Al's "Alapalooza"First MP3 was i think '97, some Beatles Get Back sessions outtake
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
and plays a killer alto sax
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
soprano sax
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
i didn't show you guys my new store FAQ -
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― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
My first:
Seven inch, Been such a long way home - Garnett Mimms (1968?)LP (12") Doris Day sings with kids (approx title) (1966?)12" Single Substitute - The Who (1976)Cassette Siouxsie and the banshees "Kaleidoscope"CD Single Darklands - Jesus and Mary ChainCD Album Out of our Idiot - Elvis CostelloMinidisc Boo Radleys - Kingsize8-track Sgt Pepper (at a boot sale)and 78 for the going back some Party - Elvis (1972)
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
My first MP2 was a Tori Amos rarity downloaded from a BBS, her terrible cover of "Ring my bell" iircAudio fidelity was baaad
xp that's cute, Scott
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
FAQ OTM
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
:) scott
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
i bought a record i recorded recently because i couldn't be bothered to download it off slsk or find the power supply for the external hdd it lives on
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
That can happen..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
7" - "Wouldn't it be nice" / "God only knows", mom's copy, age 5Purchased 7" - local hardcore band Blake, 199912" - older brother's electronica band, 1996LP - don't remember, probably around 1999Cassette - Eurythmics "Sweet Dreams", age 6 or so; didn't buy cassettes otherwiseCD album - Bjork "Debut", Chopin "Nocturnes", Shostakovich 10th, (HMV Gift certificate, 1994)CD single - Some Tori Amos thing, probably, 1997
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
Actually, I just bought an album I had owned and sold before recording it, purely to record it.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
god, trying to remember my firsts...
7": either "It's A Sin" - PSB or "Head Over Heels" - Tears For Fears12": either "Rent" - PSB, "Fight Like A Brave" - RHCP or "Seattle" - PiLLP: The JetsCassette: Men Without Hats - Rhythm of YouthCD Single: no idea, maybe "How Can You Expect To Be Taken Seriously?" - PSBCD Album: Doolittle - Pixies
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
The peak of my CD buying was 1999-2000, when Sam the Record Man was selling everything for $10; bought entire Bowie Ryko set, every XTC, tonnes of James Brown, Rolling Stones, and so on. Spent $30 on a Neu! bootleg in 1999. Last CD bought retail was Animal Collective 2CD re-issue in 2003.
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
I love the idea of DJP's record collection consisting of a single copy of The Jets
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
I can think of worse things in life than playing "Curiosity" on repeat for days
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
(which I did; in fact I made a C90 that was nothing but "Curiosity")
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
Records are fun!
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
I can think of few worse things than playing "Make It Real" on repeat
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
7": "Love Will Keep Us Together", "Black Superman", and "Rhinestone Cowboy" all at onceLP: Songs In The Key of LifeCassette: 9 from Columbia House (Police, Def Leppard, Big Country, others)CD Album: Alice Cooper, Pretties For You
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
xp: dude I never got the second Jets album for a reason
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
I could hear the "Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers" theme song for hours though.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
There was no point. Just a story.
However, here is an illegal downloading story with a point. I buy a CD. I pay full price. Years later, I rip it to my computer, then sell the CD/give it to a friend/throw it away/use it as a coaster. I then transfer the MP3 files to my iPod. Do I own those MP3s? I think I do. Let's assume I do. My computer harddrive crashes, and now the only copy of the music, which I paid for, is on my iPod. So far so good? I get a new harddrive/fix my computer and want my MP3s back on it. But the iPod makes this very difficult, and not possible at all without limitation-circumventing third party technology. So I illegally download a copy of a CD I had already paid for to get a copy of music I already own, just to put in a different place.
How many laws/user agreements have I broken? Probably a lot. How deep an ethical infraction is it? I don't know.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
scott, i'm going to buy some ray lamontagne vinyl and send it to you.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
if you were running Windows it actually should have been super easy to pull music off of it since the OS looks at it like a USB hard drive that you can navigate to and copy files off of
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
I get a new harddrive/fix my computer and want my MP3s back on it.
You can get around this by a) saving the CD b) making a back up copy of the Mp3 files.
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
"I haven't tried it for many years but when you go on a pirate website, you choose what you like; it downloads to the device of your choice and it will just work – and then when you have to jump through all these hoops [to buy legitimate content], the walls created are disincentives for people to buy," he said.
What's this pirate site that downloads straight to your record player?
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
also lol @ u for never backing up
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
I realize this is not what you're looking for Josh but there are many programs that can rip straight from an iPod.
If you buy a disc and sell it, I dunno how "ethical" it is to then d/l the disc. It feels like a loophole and again the artist is getting screwed since used discs are bad for sales. But how is it different from accidentally breaking the disc? I dunno. My Dad was always pissed that he had to buy four copies of "Brain Salad Surgery" in his life. I sympathize with that. Just another example of how the economics of intellectual property is just one big grey area.
I think that getting rid of physical media *in general* helps solve a lot of this - pay a fee for some MP3s/Flacs that you can do whatever you want with, you can re-download anytime, and for which you can get remastered/bonus tracked versions cheaper
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
Non-"Mr. Puppy's Sing-A-Long Jamboree!" firsts:
7" - Amii Stewart - "Knock On Wood"/"When You Are Beautiful"10" - Luscious Jackson - "Here"LP - Beach Boys - Love YouCassette - Cats Original Broadway Cast RecordingCassingle - Wilson Phillips - "Impulsive"CD - Massive Attack - ProtectionCD single - Ani DiFranco - "Joyful Girl"MP3 - Tyrannosaurus Rex - "Lofty Skies"
― Old Lunch, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
xpost There are lots of could-have-dones, but for lots of reasons I didn't. I could have saved the CD, but the point of making a copy is that I shouldn't have to. Which boils down to the backup quagmire: how many backups? How many backups of backups? Regardless, the point stands: my iPod (or Apple) made it difficult for me to listen to music I purchased where I wanted to listen to it. This is no longer a problem, since they've more recently made streaming from various locations very easy, but a few years ago it was a problem for me. It is an example of how the "convenience" of illegal downloading can be defended, at least in this instance.
And honestly, I've had plenty of backups, and backups of backups, all go bad on me, for reasons beyond my control. I have a lot of (legally paid for) music that lives on one old 160GB iPod.
Used CDs, I can always defend selling. Everyone benefits. The record industry and artist got its sale, which is all it can expect from a single CD. I get money to spend on more music. The store gets total profit over selling my used CD, which it can then use to bolster inventory of new stuff. And some buyer gets a deal on music he or she might have otherwise never bought.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
Right, but as far as the artist is concerned, two people bought the CD but he only got paid for one. Hence why I thought the RIAA should be all over downloading.
As far as the backups go - that's why I love having the 160 GB iPod, when you do get a crash it's easy to just restore from there
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
what you're talking about is really an insurance question/issue
basically, should your digital assets be placed under the same type of protection as your physical assets?
if you had an LP or CD that you copied onto cassette or CD-R for your car stereo and your house burned down, destroying the LP/CD, your home owner's insurance would allow you to replace the original album; none of that is currently there with digital-only music, including stuff that you've bought in digital form, and is the #1 reason why I still purchase CDs whenever possible
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah Josh's question is a good one - the number of albums I've downloaded for free is dwarfed by the number I've bought on CD and ripped, then sold or given away six years later but kept on iTunes (or partially kept i.e. the three or four tracks I still liked, or kept for another three years and never listened to again then deleted out of annoyance after scrolling past the cover for the one-hundred-and-umpteenth time).
― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
I would think that in the future the "cloud" idea of personal storage would spread everywhere and you wouldn't have to worry
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
as someone who works in an industry that espouses cloud storage philosophy... I recommend worrying for the next 30 years
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
well I don't think that personal storage is going anywhere soon but we're already in a world where people use phones/tablets with like 5% the storage of a typical HD and everything works out okay since there's a ton of streaming services and a lot of cheap and effective ways to back up data without having to actually own a physical anything
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
yeah you'd think that but it's not really true so
― Impetuous hybrid (Matt P), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link