does tom petty have any redeeming qualities?

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mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

his lyrics are bad, and his vocals can grate, but yeah he has some good tunes: "the waiting" is esp. nice.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"Break Down" did indeed sound tough and sexy when it was a new song. Beyond that, meh.

briania (briania), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

but yeah a lot of his recent (i.e. past 15 years??) hits seem really lazy to me, esp. "you don't know how it feels" and "mary jane's last dance." i guess he sort of stopped trying at some point.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"breakdown" has those backing vocals that actually sound a little disco to me! or sleazy, at least.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never understood how people can get that excited about him. I mean, yeah, he's had some good singles, but none of them have been particularly ground-breaking or life-affirming.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I find most of his songs "pleasant," and this can actually be good or bad. They don't grate or annoy, but they sometimes slip into the background. However, I have a soft spot for just about any popular act with an "ugly" voice.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

and an ugly face

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i have the first album and enjoy some of the singles. i even took the complete videos out on video once.

kephm, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

josh otm.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

he had a very good guitarist in mike campbell

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah campbell and tench both rule

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I like tom petty, actually.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

he was great on the various garry shandling shows

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure there are at least six songs by this guy i really really like

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember josh and i argued about this for some time. i remain unconvinced.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just today deciding whether or not to excise his Greatest Hits disc from my iPod. It stayed.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

tom petty is pretty frequently the weakest element of a tom petty song though

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw him live years ago (Long After Dark tour - I went because The Plimsouls were opening) and he put on a very good rock and roll show in the traditional sense of it - I could probably quickly throw together a pretty excellent homebrew greatest hits collection (which is mostly different from the "hits" collection that came out). Like other posters were saying, he's too inoffensive to really harsh on. I still remember back in the very early 80s when Petty was lumped in with the new wavers because no one could figure out where to put him.

Stan Lynch's playing on "The Waiting" is one of my favorite drum recordings ever.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I only read the first ten or so posts, but what's the matter with you people? Petty rules. His first, like, four albums are pure pop fucking perfection. What's a better song than "American Girl?" Tell me! Every album he's ever done has AT LEAST four or five good-to-great songs.

His major flaw, for me, is his association with Jeff Lynne.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Truly, the first few TP records are fantastic. As good as the first few Ramones records. I don't even see how the question of "redeeming qualities" enters into it.

Dark Horse, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Wildflowers quite a bit. Breezy summer pop-rock album, the songwriting and lyrics are irrelevant to me (I never noticed that "You Don't Know How It Feels" was lazy, but I haven't heard any of his early stuff), a nice, slow rhythm for most songs.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i like almost all of his singles and i hate all of his albums. he's responsible for some of the worst filler of his generation.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

what's filler? I mean, aside from side 2 of Full Moon Fever?

while nothing he's done even approaches the greatness that is Leave Home, I agree with Dark Horse about the 'wtf???' head-scratching thread title.

A consistent and often great songwriter, expressive vocalist (really!) and the Heartbreakers were (are) the perfect band for Petty - classic u fules

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 10 September 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i was shocked to read this:

Also, and I know this is asking for trouble, but he's a really good guitarist.

doesn't mike campbell play all the recognizable guitar parts on petty's songs? does petty do anything more than strum three or four chords? (not that there's anything wrong with that.)

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what's filler?

the last 10 or so tracks on wildflowers, for example. most of you're gonna get it, for another example. i can't give you song titles 'cause i find his album tracks so generic that i can hardly remember a thing about them, music, words or titles. i hear all of his albums as maybe three good songs surrounded by color-by-numbers twangy new wavey rootsy southerny ditties.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I think his defining moment was his role in Kevin Costner's masterpiece (after his previous post-apocalyptic triumph 'Waterworld'. Damn was that guy on fire or what?) 'The Postman'.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Every album he's ever done has AT LEAST four or five good-to-great songs. -- roger adultery

The Last DJ?

southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Odd that there's no mention of "You Wreck Me" — classic. And I'm totally amazed by the guy's consistency, to be honest.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"Walls" is for me the sleeper Petty masterpiece. "You got a heart so big / It could crush this town", with its phrasing, seems pure gold to me.

southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i spent a month driving around europe in a crammed splitter van, and if i hadn't had my tom petty favorites mix then i would have strangled someone or jumped off an alp.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

xgau's review of Greatest Hits sums it up for me. His other Tom Petty reviews are pretty dead on too.

Greatest Hits [MCA, 1993]
Sometimes it's hard to remember what a breath of fresh air the gap-spanning MTV figurehead was in 1976. So revisit this automatic multiplatinum, a treasury of power pop that doesn't know its name--snappy songs! Southern beats! gee! Like Billy Joel, say, or the Police, his secret isn't that he's a natural singles artist--it's that he's too shallow to merit full concentration except when he gets it all right, and maybe not then. Petty is the formalist of the ordinary guy, taking his musical pleasure in roots, branches, commerce, art, whatever gets him going without demanding anything too fancy of his brain or his rear end. Footloose by habit and not what you'd call a ladies' man, he often feels confused or put upon, and though he wishes the world were a better place, try to take what he thinks is his and he won't back down. He has one great virtue--his total immersion in rock and roll. A-

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, he can be supremely annoying, but his "Greatest Hits" LP is worth owning.

"American Girl" = Best non-Byrds Byrds song EVAH

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Personal Tom Petty POX:
Runaway Trains
Don't Come Around Here No More
A Face In The Crowd
The Waiting
Free Fallin'
There Goes My Girl
American Girl
Refugee
Walls
I Won't Back Down

I stand by what I wrote about Full Moon Fever on my blog about a year ago.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

argh link to said blog entry here. best passive-aggressive boomer dad I can think of.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

actually i'm kinda suprised i ever cared enough about this thread topic to start it

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

that xgau review OTM.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I really like "Spike".

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised this thread was started before he turned truly evil with The Last DJ. Buddyhead gave him props for hating radio now that his new stuff isn't on it. I hate when indie asshole rags make the mistake of telling us who they respect.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

'running down a dream' has that sweet guitar riff in the chorus. 'american girl' a great song all around. 'i won't back down' is defiant and semi-inspiring and shit. 'refugee' is totally not bad and doesn't make me want to change the radio station.

6335, Friday, 10 September 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I assume Buddyhead was being sarcastic.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

sadly, very, sadly, they weren't.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Nope. They were not.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

their review of the Last DJ, which got their highest rating, consists solely of this:

Tom Petty is awesome.
--Travis Keller

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

from their gossip page when the album came out: Tom Petty is pissed. His new album, as always, totally rules. Buy it. Besides bringing the rock, he’s dropping mad knowledge. Props to mtv.com for showing some balls for once and putting up Tom’s rant on their site besides the latest word on who Britney Spears is dating. This is important enough for you to read the whole thing…

The man who told the world "I Won't Back Down," "Don't Do Me Like That" and "Don't Come Around Here No More" doesn't need any assertiveness-training course. Tom Petty's determined, sometimes defiant attitude has collided with the music business throughout the years. For instance, in 1982 Petty recorded Hard Promises with the Heartbreakers, only to find that his then-record company had plans to use his name to initiate a new, higher $9.98 list price for albums. Petty withheld the tapes and threatened to retitle his record $8.98 in protest.

That same spirit is alive and well on Petty's latest album, The Last DJ, which takes a hard look at the lack of moral grounding in the music business. The title track has kicked up considerable controversy, with some radio stations seeing the song as a slap in the face and banning it. But Petty is not just biting the hand that feeds him. Music is only the beginning of what's pissing him off these days. "The Last DJ is a story about morals more than the music business," he says. "It's really about vanishing personal freedoms."

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

they should read Lester Bangs' essay about why that fuckin' dollar from Tom Petty back when was pure bullshit.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

if Bryan Adams flipped a bitchswitch about radio not pushing his new crap, do you think they'd support him too?

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

yes

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

well not really

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

it is kind of interesting though... trying to figure out what it is exactly that makes kids respond to tom petty. i know i responded to him when i was eight or nine. it might specifically be the full moon fever album. i mean, obviously really catchy songs, but wondering if there's something about the production that gets right to a kid's brain.

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link

i guess petty has some muppet like qualities

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link

tom should for real use that as his next album cover

m@tt OTM, somebody get Mr. Petty on the phone

sleeve, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link

That picture is very good for a five year old!! Thanks for posting it!

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Finally got around to listening to Howard Stern interview Jimmy Iovine and Iovine is still dissing Stan Lynch for being behind the beat. Once you hear the shaker in Refugee, you can't unhear it.

Warren Zanes' book far more interesting than I expected.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 August 2017 08:31 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

I just came across this post of the new Petty-produced Hillman album, with some other Byrds, Heartbreakers among participants---haven't had time to listen yet, but might be redeeming: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7968856/chris-hillman-bidin-my-time-album

dow, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 02:01 (six years ago) link

Oh man, slightly unfair to OP to dredge up this thread today.

enochroot, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link

i saw chris hillman at the opry while i was in nashville, played "turn turn turn" and a righteous bros. cover from the new record, both sounded wonderful, looking forward to checking it out

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 12:58 (six years ago) link

Tom Petty had plenty of redeeming qualities, not to mention he had the respect of a lot of prominent musicians. On the other hand, he had no classic albums and was pretty much an American phenomenon.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link

Eh, I'll stand up for OP.

I'm going to keep quiet for the next couple of days though. My opinions would only sound ... *ahem* ... contemptuously trivial.

pplains, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 13:28 (six years ago) link

Oh man, slightly unfair to OP to dredge up this thread today.

― enochroot, Tuesday, October 3, 2017

My post answered the thread question!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link

threadstarter earlier noted on twitter that he's listening to the heartbreakers today to lift his otherwise shitty mood, so alfred's post was evidently persuasive

rip tom

mark s, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link


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