in today's uncertain world we can no longer assume human beings inhale oxygen
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
xpost Thanks. I haven't got this yet. Wondering whether to shell out for pricey vinyl.
― Duke, Monday, 17 September 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
Dude, come on, you can read.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 17 September 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/advertising/demographic-profile-of-guardian-readers
― Duke, Monday, 17 September 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
I see more comedy zings than butthurtedness
xp
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
"Social Grade"? lol Britishes
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
comedy zings tend to indicate deep-seated butthurtedness ime
― lex pretend, Monday, 17 September 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
(prob related to how comedy always indicates self-loathing)
really? cuz half my funny ones i don't even care about really it just seemed like something funny to say + barely suppressed narcissitic desire to be excelsiored + supposed to be proofreading at work
― lex pretend, Monday, September 17, 2012 3:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hmm this seems objectively true...hrmmm...why yes
― the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
what does loathing others always indicate? self-love?
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
prob related to how comedy always indicates self-loathing
humorlessness otoh
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
oh LG beat me to it
let's have a poll to see who is happiest
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
okay now I am concocting some sort of theory that the reason lex doesn't "get" Dylan is because Dylan is FUNNY
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
ronan why must you always be there, trying to zing me, in every thread i am on. GET OUT OF MY FACE ALREADY. jesus it's like having a dom pt ii around
― lex pretend, Monday, 17 September 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
i forgot about the hatred of comedy
― j., Monday, 17 September 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
not gonna justify myself for disagreeing with someone who posts in a very outspoken and strident manner. that's not "zinging" and if you can't handle it (as is abundantly clear) then don't dish it out, for free or otherwise.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 17 September 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
i have absolutely no interest in arguing or communicating with you and what i'm trying to say is i wish you would feel the same
― lex pretend, Monday, 17 September 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
it's not about "not being able to take it", i'm happy to talk to most people who disagree with me without being cunts about it
― lex pretend, Monday, 17 September 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
this is boring. I'm bored now.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 September 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
Anybody else getting ads at the top of this thread, right after they first sign on? Happening on what are you reading too. And Firefox having to stop a re-direct.
― dow, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
dow"
POLL: Should ILX put ads in front of unregistered lurkers in exchange for money?
― j., Monday, 17 September 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
It's all getting a bit European Whiney and Deej in here. Guys you are both better than this.
― Matt DC, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
buh-but I'm not unregistered. oh well, long as it's not spoofing or sponking or hijacks
― dow, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
better than what? disagreeing with a fairly strong statement of opinion? (along with two other people.)
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Monday, 17 September 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
ilxor rose up 'gainst ilxorIn every circumstanceThey fought and slaughtered each otherIn a deadly dance
― the best Laid jams (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 September 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
Duke, I got the 2lp vinyl for 25 dollars US from www.dustygroove.com
And yeah, like alex in mainhatten said, it's the first six songs on the first LP, and the last 4 songs on the 2nd LP
You do get a CD copy as well, it's just packaged inside a generic white paper slipcase
― Stormy Davis, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
"ilxor rose up 'gainst ilxor-" reminds me: today is the 150th Anniversary of Battle of Antietam, America's bloodiest so farhttp://www.npr.org/2012/09/17/161248814/antietam-a-savage-day-in-american-history
― dow, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
thanks for the info, Stormy.
― Duke, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 09:41 (eleven years ago) link
Not sure why so much vitriol for "Roll On John." It's a nice tune and feels warm and personal. The two before it are the ones I can't buy. "Tin Angel" takes Black Jack Davy/Matty Groves and does ... nothing with it. And "Tempest" feels like second-hand Pogues.
Still, the album makes me happy. It's good to hear from him.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 20 September 2012 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
I really like "Roll On John" til he gets to "come together right now over meee"--to this tune, not the original, an ugghh combination. Otherwise, I like the music on all the tracks, each setting (ncl vocal) does its damndest to support the oh-so-challenging, pungent, shit-stirring words, which usually work seems like, although,yeah "Tin Angel" is, uh--I dunno, I'll keep listening. One of my favorites is "Narrow Way", its length justified by gradual transition: the usual-for-this-set sabre-wielding entrance, later he's wanting to rest his head between her (or the usual "your") breasts, still growling, "I can't work up to you, you'll have to work down to meee, someday." Sure, Babe.
― dow, Thursday, 20 September 2012 05:38 (eleven years ago) link
I like "Roll On John" too. Definitely not the weakest track. It's not easy to write a song like this and have it feel real and personal. This isn't exactly "Candle in the Wind", but there's always a danger of it feeling a bit self-aggrandizing, basking in a legend's faded glory. I also agree that once you've heard "Tin Angel" and figured out the storyline it's not clear why you'd want to hear it again. Like "Lily Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts" on BOTT, it feels kind of superfluous. I will still defend "Tempest" though it might have been better if it was edited down a bit more.
― o. nate, Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
good to hear bob workin hard to enunciate the s-t-ssss in 'breasts'
― j., Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
LENNY BRUUUCE IS DEEEEEAD
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 September 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Like "Lily Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts" on BOTT, it feels kind of superfluous.
I actually love "Lily Rosemary," because its story is enigmatic and epigrammatic enough to feel like it's about something -- or lots of things -- without ever really showing its hand. "Tin Angel" otoh is full of clumsy exposition and doesn't ring any allusive bells (for me, anyway). Just feels like it takes the basic text of "Raggle Taggle Gypsy" and gives it an unnecessary polish. Like one of those modern Bibles that saps all the fun outta King James.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 20 September 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
kind of wish "long and wasted years" was the 14 minute one here! reminds me of brownsville girl.
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 September 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
"Scarlet Town" pulls me in, esp. on headphones. I can put it on Pause, get up for another drink, come back to the table, old dude sill talking shit in there I can't quite dismiss, in fact I may have to report. Watch the rest of the room too.
― dow, Thursday, 20 September 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
I love Roll On John, strongest song on the record for me initially (really wish the "come together now" seemed less clumsy, but I'm sure it'll grow).
http://rapgenius.com/Bob-dylan-roll-on-john-lyrics <-- is genius lol!
― niels, Friday, 21 September 2012 09:07 (eleven years ago) link
Points deducted from Roll On John for encouraging corny critics to end their reviews with a chummy "Roll On Bob."
― Get wolves (DL), Friday, 21 September 2012 11:53 (eleven years ago) link
i think dylan's vocal sells Roll On John. feels a bit out of place on an album that is steeped in pre-war (pre civil war?) language/culture/etc, but it's working for me.
― tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
Roll On, John was the first song I erased.
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 September 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't make it past the second verse the first time I heard it. Haven't bothered to go back either.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 21 September 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
Helpful that he put those two epics at the end. They're like really long bonus tracks.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 September 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
I listened to this the first time totally blind, not knowing the track order or what was playing or anything. I kept thinking, "ah, this is the epic Titanic song!" And then it wasn't. And then I'd think "OK, this must be the epic Titanic song," and then it wasn't. And then the epic Titanic song played, and I was pretty much, yeah, OK, this is the epic Titanic song. So I got comfortable.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 September 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think this Jody Rosen review was ever linked here:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/09/older-than-that-now-dylans-tempest.html
― o. nate, Friday, 5 October 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
That's good, especially on the singing:
He sings with a jazzman’s feel for rhythmic play, laying back behind the beat, rushing ahead of it, bending, distending, and cutting short his raggedy notes. He has dramatic flair that places him in the company of Sinatra, Billie Holiday, and George Jones: an actor’s way with line readings, a knack for making the musical conversational and vice versa.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 5 October 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
saw bob last night -- and he played absolutely nothing from Tempest. Which was kind of a bummer. But the show was good. Crazy grizzled voice, but the honky tonkin' arrangements worked for me. Wish he'd let the band cut loose a little more. I kept thinking what a weird gig being in Bob's band must be -- they're all obviously pretty chopsy dudes, but they have to deal with this total musical primitive leading the band. Dylan's piano playing is pretty hilarious (in a mostly entertaining way). he just clomps around, hitting weird, off-kilter block chords, or picks a descending/ascending riff to play throughout the whole song. it'd be one thing if the piano was mixed super low, but last night it was mixed as the lead instrument. knopfler opened, pretty snoozy. lotsa watered down celtic stuff, occasionally cool guitar playing. he should call his band The Bald Band.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
Knopfler put Tulsa to sleep last night. Thankfully, Dylan was in fine form, though he dances like a Muppet. Yes, I said dances. Several times throughout the set he left the piano to play the frontman, and sort of bopped around the front of the stage like a three year old, making slight knee bends and shoulder lifts to the beat.
Really odd (& pretty great) setlist, but again nothing from this record. A piano-less, echo-drenched "Ballad of a Thin Man" was a definite highlight. Only one encore but the initial set was quite long.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 November 2012 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
Dunno about his life guitar-playing now, but when I saw him in the 90s, he had some great solos, electric and acoustic (also for inst in the 70s TV special Hard Rain, he plays slide on "Shelter From The Storm"). The current (and sometimes eccentric) emphasis on piano might have something do with arthritis (I hear things). Traditionally of course, tracks featuring and maybe written on piano were often pretty special: "Thin Man", "Dear Landlord", "Down Along The Cove", "If Dogs Run Free", "Winterlude", "Dirge", and "Apple Suckling Tree", for that matter.
― dow, Saturday, 3 November 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
*live* guitar-playing, I meant.
― dow, Saturday, 3 November 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link