Jackin' House partisans, convince a skeptic

You want this thread really.

From a recent Hannah Wants mix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjczK8Og2CU

there's a sequel/remix to that now which is even better and weirder... in true jackin style they called it "dorothy's armpit"

Must hear it, that track is amazing, darkside vibes. Chris Lorenzo is some kind of genius.

ya it's on one of the recent 2:31 rinse sets but i forget which unfortunately

22nd of May is Lorenzo and Shorterz, I'll try that.

wait got it now, 58:45 on 29th may

http://www.kissfmuk.com/hannahwants/2013/06/tracklist-010613/
http://radioplayer.kissfmuk.com/la807581/hannah-wants/

you know hannah wants has a weekly show on kiss btw?

"Evil" "Dangerous"

lol

Thanks for chasing that down. Amazing. I think I need to hear the rest of this show.

Yeah, I did she that she has a show. I'm going to try and catch her in London this month.

yeah the 2:31 shows are v good... not wild omg stuff the way jackin nuum hype (or the marcus nasty 2012 sets) implies but a true representation of how the midlands crew puts its spin on today's house n bass sphere. strictly speaking i don't see jackin as really existing any more tbh, at least not the way it did last year

think you'll find as you listen your question on the ukpopbass thread answers itself better than anyone could possibly tell you (within ten thousand words anyway)

I need to dig deeper and follow those guys more closely, but the midlands house sound, whatever you want to call it, has a druggier, ravier vibe than anything else in UK dance I've heard for a while. This show from the 29th has more echoey, stutter vision, deep house effects circa late 90s early 00s than anything on the pop thread (but also with Bassline inflections)

It is also clear that Hannah Wants has shifted into a slightly more "sophisticated" sound than what she was playing when I checked her mixes out last year. Kind of hope she doesn't go further down that path though. Her mixtape 0513 is pretty much perfect imo.

I love tunes like "Dorothy's Forest" and "Kneadin" that are basically these compulsive broken machine loops, like they take the name "jackin" way way way more seriously than everything else does.

are there any other threads like this?

What do you mean

Vocal on "Kneadin" reminds me of Omni Trio.

Also great, very late 90s prog-house to my ears...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPc-wFhmew

From the other thread, but this probably belongs here as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qo_OI_4nJgk

At the risk of spamming the thread with YouTube links, after going through Cause & Effect Soundcloud and ID'ing some tracks, Operation 60 and Dreams are also great.

i very much like 'the tickle' too

this is the monster right now though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHU7zOcppdw

this one's great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivm_GgBn2U

but then like, there's also this outside of lorenzoland if u see what i mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdeqvNBFyjk

these last couple of 2:31s have been absolutely firing

Haha, was listening to a 2:31 set and thinking "what the fuck is this amazing tune?", then realised it could only be "Dorothy's Armpit".

"The Tickle" is great too, yes.

if it happens to be the 5th june one then there's a tune of c&a's at 54 mins or so that is thee very zenith of yr "compulsive broken machine loops", more or less just a clanking 8 bar riddim

on the most recent 12th june they actually premier an official(!) remix of a new newham generals tune and they sound to the grimey manor born. so nice to hear d double on something decent again!

Yeah it's the 12th June set I'm listening to. Will listen to the 5th.

What's the baile funk sampling tune later in the 12th set? That also fits the bill perfectly.

Also the remix of "Jack" at 89 minutes.

Which I should stress is totally amazing.

i'm just getting round to the second hour of 12th june now, left it at the newgens track

the best periods of these last couple of shows have been when they just get their heads down and do banging driving in-the-pocket house sets (like what normals think of jackin i suppose) only with the current tools at hand. very exciting, makes me want to get a gym membership

also their occasional throwback record of the week slot is invariably excellent and cratediggy, i must go back thru and note them all down

Actually I think it's the track just before "Jack" I'm talking about.

Real time education going on here.

Haha yes I've already tested the first half of this set at the gym, it's a perfect soundtrack.

the funny thing about these sets is that for me they've rekindled my enthusiasm for jackin (well, belief in its agency rather) but also made me surer than ever that viewing jackin as some wild isolated sui generis tribe is totally the wrong way to gain any meaningful purchase on it

basically i think these might the first mixes that arent just a showcase of great tracks but articulate the true vibe fully

http://soundcloud.com/pete-graham/pete-graham-lorenzo-marina

oh the baile funk sampling tune!

omg i hear the the other one now. the wild west themed one with train crossing bell? idk what it is but YES it's brilliant

god i love how they either mix in or actually interpolate parts of 'marina gasolina' preceding to give it the full touch of evil mexican border town lawless twilight vibe

the funny thing about these sets is that for me they've rekindled my enthusiasm for jackin (well, belief in its agency rather) but also made me surer than ever that viewing jackin as some wild isolated sui generis tribe is totally the wrong way to gain any meaningful purchase on it

Yes, I've struggled with the question of whether enjoying jackin' in the context of, say, a DJ Q set, is getting a misreading on it the same way I would have considered to be the case for someone approaching funky via Oneman or whoever. Like, is there something inherently point-missing about the polystylistic pick'n'mix appraoch?

Obv. a key difference is the nature/character/context of the person doing the picking and mixing. But it also just feels like jackin' itself is less interested in constructing its own soundworld, is more open to and curious about the world around it, forms a cluster of intensity within a broader disseminated vibe-chain rather than establishing its own nation-state-of-vibe.

yeah like i mean take for instance 'jack' playing now, at first you think oh right it's 'jack' big tune on the scene etc etc. but listen closer and isn't the crucial kinda weirdly queasy animal groaning that makes the track (counterintuitively not erotic at all in juxtaposition with the vocal) such a move totally at home amongst jackin - absolutely not appropriated by in dialogue, but something already there that jackin waxes and wanes on as it suits it

and after that the same taiki & nulight mix of ray foxx that dj q played just to underline the point

Agreed re "Jack". BUT! What is that oh holy fuck amazing broken machine loop at about 111 minutes??

don't know but this is the wild west one you two were talking about upthread:

https://soundcloud.com/justin-martin-music/db087-01-justin-martin-and

there's also one simple reason i think that makes 2:31 shows more vibey and exciting than yr average jackin/house & bass mix: tunes being mixed in and out relatively quickly! i mean selection-wise 2:31 obviously has its own quirks of course (tons of C&A, Shorterz' euro-leanings) but mostly it's the same tunes you get in other jackin/h&b mixes, with the difference that those other mixes usually feel plodding coz the tunes drag out for cca 4 mins and here it's all fast-paced whizz-bang stuff - which is how it should be, 'proper' house tunes usually peak several mins in but this stuff lays out all its wares as soon as it can so it does not lend well to trad house mixing really

v true of course. kinda starting to wonder if there's actually any type of music that i wouldnt enjoy as long as it was mixed hard n fast

doh yes it is indeed 'wheelgunner'. rmde epic diligence fail since not only do i see i must have heard it in mixes loads of times but i already seem to have the dirtybird players comp on here

mt would you also happen know what the very linear bouncy number is they play with the breathy "couldnt do this without you" male croon?

BUT! What is that oh holy fuck amazing broken machine loop at about 111 minutes??

― Tim F, Thursday, 20 June 2013 10:30 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

tim surely you havent failed to recognise your own beloved 'kneadin'??

oh wait but the clanker i was on about upthread is there at 118 mins actually

No 111 minutes not 71 minutes!

And by the same token do you meant the clanker at 78 minutes? Because that's some serious clanking action.

Also Mind Taker is spot on with the analysis. Further to that point these machine loop tunes like "Wheelgunner (Dub)" arguably don't even work as standalones, the trick is in how Shorterz and Cause & Affect drop into them and then mix out as soon as possible into something else.

And can I just:

https://soundcloud.com/mynuleng/sets/contact-ep-forthcoming-black

aaargh feel like i should know what the 'couldnt do this without you' tune is but don't :\

weirded out a bit by news that "Kneadin'" and "Girls" are to be released on... Nurvous, of all places?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdH34MdPOEI

jus' enterin thread to say BRING BACK JOEY YOUNGMAN

if it requires the wolfgang gartner entity to be destroyed so be it

not to indulge ur illiteracy but i actually quite liked gartner's 'overdose' this year tbh

not indulgin taste, either huh =/

hell no

am slightly more predisposed to Youngman's style than to Gartner's and *still* can easily off the top of my head name several Gartner's tunes i've enjoyed while struggling with Youngman - WG's Britney remix is up there with the best of mersh electrohouse, JY's best can barely compete with, say, the grooveliciousness of Jason Hodges' "Sweat of Your Brow" rmx or delirious all-out wackiness of Soydan's "Running with the Beat"

(sorry for furthering the thread derail but i rarely get a chance to ramble on about this sort of stuff!)

Good crash course best of jackin here: Tom Garnett - 70 To 1 Mix.

https://soundcloud.com/tomgarnett11/tom-garnett-70-to-1-mix