I could be wrong, but I think she got slammed because she originally refused to settle for a couple of grand, no? And unfortunately the law as written is pretty black and white, even though downloading is full of grays.
Anyway, good to know the industry is finally on this after decades of irreparably fucking itself over. Hot tip to the RIAA: you might want to keep an eye on China and the rest of Asia, but good luck on the enforcement front.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 March 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
so if you really hate someone it's more economical to murder them with intent than to infringe their copyright
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 18 March 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
"YOU KILLED HER""yes but at least I paid $1.69 for her hit single"
― Esteban Buttiérrez (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 18 March 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
some late night show wag quipped that you could get more jail time for illegally downloading michael jackson albums than for actually killing michael jackson
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
actually, almost nothing is going to happen to you for illegally downloading michael jackson albums, it's sharing/uploading that usually gets targeted
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
there's nothing wrong with eating michael jackson's remains, but there are harsh penalties for cooking a meal with his remains and sharing it with others
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
Confused by something. Sometimes at work, it's convenient for me to listen to a full album off YouTube. Like right now--freezing-rain day, no kids. I went to listen to Blonde on Blonde, and it's been taken down because of copyright. Tried the Byrds, and there are a number of albums still up. I'm listening to Mr. Tambourine Man right now.
Same company, same vintage. Is the only difference that Dylan (or his lawyers) are more aggresive in monitoring this kind of thing?
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
why not use spotify which has all of blonde on blonde on it and is legal?
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
I'm in Canada, and we don't have it. It's just a spur of the moment thing with me anyway, and if YouTube doesn't have one thing, they'll always have something else I'm just as happy to listen to. When I'm at home, I just use the funny-looking machine that goes round and round.
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
i've been thinking about getting one of those
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
Any thoughts on the question? I always thought it was companies who policed copyright--is it the artists themselves?
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
i doubt Bob Dylan is policing youtube
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
someone's doing it! dylan seems to be extra vigilant on youtube -- it must be something the artist polices, rather than the label? or something the artist requests of the label.you can find a bunch of dylan bootleggy stuff on youtube by searching for blind boy grunt or elston gunn...
― tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
Dylan has always been vigilant about copyright. Obviously he's delegating that, Bob is not behind his laptop sending compliance requests, but his wishes are clearly "I give permission when and where my stuff is to be used"
― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
I think short of Prince it's total whack-a-mole. For all you know, the Byrds were taken down before you looked for them, then put up again by the time you went to Dylan. And the opposite may be true tomorrow.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Dylan - or say Springsteen - has never put the full kibosh on everything like Prince has. They know the bootlegs and whatnot ultimately benefit them. Prince is just being capricious.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
That's what I figured--Bob in pajamas monitoring YouTube didn't compute, but I do believe some people probably get paid very well to do it on his behalf. The Byrds seem a little less interested these days.
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
Missed Josh's post. Maybe I just got lucky today.
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
(Except the link says "Published on July 1, 2012," so it's been up there for almost a year.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
Bob always monitors YouTube in a cravat and a jaunty hat
― relentless technosexuality (DJP), Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I think a lot of this is up to individual artists giving direction to the labels/lawyers. Dylan is clearly super-anal about this stuff to an irritating degree, as is Prince. The Byrds - being a band, and one with a long history of legal tangles (doesn't Crosby own the name now?) - are more likely to be a little looser about stuff. This is one thing I appreciate about the Beach Boys, fwiw, absolutely everything is online somewhere.
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's the same everywhere, really - there must be actual complaints or eyeballs on the infraction for something to be taken down, but I doubt anyone has the dollars (loonies?) to sit around scouring for specific copyright violations. Save Prince, who is a loon. I imagine in most instances it's actually the label, not the artist, through various strongarm tactics. but labels are in no position to be absolutely thorough.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
Beach Boys, fwiw, absolutely everything is online somewhere.
Probably because no one in the group even knows how to use email.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
The really good news is, I see at least three links that will teach me how to play "Mr. Tambourine Man" on a guitar, so who needs Blonde on Blonde?
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
I bet with Dylan it's less direction than some proxy operating independently. Like, he hires a lawyer and tells him to do whatever he sees fit, and then the lawyer makes the call. And then 10 years later Dylan sues the lawyer for wasting his money.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
xpost Folk music, for the folks!
surely there is a Mike Love song about e-mail and the internet just waiting to be written
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
"Spirit of America Online"
― tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
Had to Text Ya
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
I bet with Dylan it's less direction than some proxy operating independently. Like, he hires a lawyer and tells him to do whatever he sees fit, and then the lawyer makes the call.
yeah I strongly doubt any of this has crossed Dylan's desk in at least thirty years
― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
I wouldn't be surprised if Bob's never seen YouTube.
― Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
Not to go all A.J. Weberman, but that's something I'd like to see: Bob Dylan's desk. I'd like to think something like this, but he probably just picked it up from Walmart.
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/7/0/8/9/7/webimg/638025486_o.jpg
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
Bob Dylan's 115th Desk.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
Bet he stole his desk from Dave Van Ronk.
― Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 April 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
I know he had a very folky looking desk in 1964, then he bought one of those fancy Carnaby St. desks in 1965. Got booed and heckled by his housekeeper.
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw yeah I doubt Dylan even knows what Youtube is BUT I bet he gave some angry "no one gets my music for free maaan" rant to a lawyer a few times and the resultant policy was promptly put in place
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
It's a little known fact that Bob Dylan doesn't even have working electricity.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
on the bonus cuts from some recent album - together through life? - which are taken from an episode of his radio show, dylan's talking up, i forget, whatsername the singer, and he instructs the listener, 'go on to YOU tube…'
― j., Thursday, 11 April 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I was thinking about that on the way home. Sometimes Dylan seems to want to present himself as an ascetic monk, oblivious to whatever the rest of the world's interested in, and I'm sure in some regards he is. But when I read his memoirs, I was often surprised/amused when he'd make reference to some pop-culture name you wouldn't think in a million years he'd have been aware of (the first one that comes to mind is Gorgeous George, the wrestler, but there were others).
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 April 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
well shit the man's been on tour for forty years, reading saint augustine can't be the only thing he does in his downtime
― j., Thursday, 11 April 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ the idea that dylan wouldn't know what youtube was
― wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like there's probably a more apt thread for this, but someone tell me what it is:http://johndarnielle.tumblr.com/post/47019871450/so-people-ask-me-this-sometimes-and-i-appreciate
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 11 April 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
Dude didn't know what overdubbing was (or that it was possible) until 1970 or 1971. Not knowing about YouTube would be totally in character for him.
xp
― Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 April 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
Dylan dropped booty call &Alicia Keys refs so I'm sure he knows youtube
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure after he dies there'll be some big reveal about dylan avidly posting on yahoo groups about the civil war.
― tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
Dude didn't know what overdubbing was (or that it was possible) until 1970 or 1971.
really? where'd you hear that?
I think it's impossible that somebody who recorded and released an album on a major label as recently as last year wouldn't know what YT is. I mean, maybe if he really was a retired recluse that might be conceivable but not for a working professional! unless he just really never talks to anyone else and everyone around him is afraid to ever speak to him?
― wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
plus j. quoted him up there referencing youtube so...
― wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
this is in his bio iirc
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
he didn't *do* any overdubbing until 1970 or thereabouts, he probably knew it was possible....
― tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link