Nu-Metal re-assesed?

I got into Deftones and Korn at about the same time, with both of their first albums.. For me, I was very interested in exploring the rap and metal combo, but it never really seemed to mesh enough IMO. I started a band around this time and we did just that, tried to mash those two worlds so hard that it became a new thing. we had a legit MC, and I think thats what made the difference for us in '96/'97, especially here in the SF Bay Area. For us it was a way to reflect how all of our friends had a wide range of musical tastes, ad we fit the bill for a lot of people. We started seeing bands in our area that were opening for us, start sounding a little more like us, and before we knew it, those bands were getting label attention and we were getting overlooked.

IMO, there wasn't anything really heavy in the early 90s that most kids could get into. Underground music was hard to find cuz no one was online in mass quantities.

what ruined the genre was the baffoonery of Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock. But even before those guys-Coal Chamber, Stuck Mojo, Snot-there was a glossy nod to an urban mentality that was fake as fuck. Remember Downset. Those fools were the real deal, but there wasn't enough talent there-especially in the MC dept, for it to hit. When these assholes, Limp writsed and Kid Kock, started to be the standard of what it was about, it had been lost. Anyone doing anything real was then compared to that crap and it died a painful death.

there is a huge appeal for the run off/lighter side of the nu-metal thing in the Nickelback type bands, cuz they're not heavy enough that chicks won't like it. And in the midwest and the south, there is just enough twang for them to be huge there. They've created a perfect shit storm of music to appeal to a lot of the bible thumping rednecks that make up middle America.

Now there is a new look at the rap and metal combo-a re-examining, if you will.. Its still sounding forced, cuz the music doesn't sound rap enough for the MCs to sound natural, but whatevs.. Its dead, let it be dead.

Its funny.. I love the idea of a MC doing his shit over heavy music, but I fucking hate every band that ever did it.. lol!

Tom Araya did some good rapping on Hell Awaits, lol

and as far as SLipknot goes... I was never a fan, but i think most people that see them live are usually turned into fans... 9 dudes in masks going off hard on stage is pretty impressive no matter who you are..

Remember, the early 90s produced some of the best, most diverse and best selling hip hop. So heavy bands were greatly influenced by this, and would bring in any of those elements they could-DJs, samples, whatever.

I forgot Evanescence. Was that Nightwish for Nu-Metal fans? I remember Lemmy saying Evanescence were one of his favourite new bands.

this is more like post-grunge mixed with a nu-metal chorus but it will always be memorable to me for the line "they tried to fuck me from behind/because i am a cloud".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGTJv4OVJPM

dirty cloud

Scott is there a nu metal meets metal/death core band out there?

^^^ YES!! Haktavist

I remember seeing the Deftones at the first Warped Tour (95, iirc) on the second stage (they played after Sick of it All) and thinking they were a bad version of Quicksand. (Who also played.) Also seeing a very early RATM show, and all of us sorta laughing at Zach trying to rap and annoyed that it didn't sound like Inside Out. It was kind of those Revelation Records post-hardcore bands that started it out, right?

Does anyone remember a band called House of Suffering? I still think they started the rap-hardcore thing...

Biohazard also responsible perhaps?

Giving me flashbacks to Dog Eat Dog on Headbanger's Ball. Who's the king who's the king who's the king who? Who's the king who's the king who-ha!

macdara is no fronting here ;)

anyway weren't Urban Dance Squad the first?

Senser ftw

I remember being in #metal on DALnet and there were vicious multilingual flame wars going on whenever anybody even mentioned Slipknot. At one point the metalheads running the channel (most of whom were Swedish) got so pissed off at nu-metal they basically coded a script that kick-banned people who even mentioned the names "Slipknot", "Korn" or any other band of the moment. Even if you said "Limp Bizkit sucks", as they weren't that good at programming.

haw haw, I remember this. i also vaguely remember Emperor and Cradle of Filth coming close to the status of Slipknot and Korn, but not quite.

Oh yeah, House of Suffering and Biohazard were around the same time. Anyway, just wanted to drop in to make sure nobody forgot Downset.

Emperor were getting flack for IX Equilibrium at the time, which was misguided. I also was a huge CoF fan (not so much anymore) so I fought over that, lol.

Some of the worst cover versions ever came out in the nu-metal era

lol YES. for a little while at least. I remember Postmortem being the dude that ran it, and a few other people. and _b0b_. and Depresy, and.....a few others.

wow, this is all coming back to me. I used to be an op on #mp3_death.

xp Two words: "Smooth Criminal"

xpost lol. I was Hell_Awaits and I got banned a lot. remembered nuking one of the Ops once in retaliation, was fun.

xp Two more words "Blue Monday"

"Word Up"

"Shock The Monkey"

"Mission Impossible theme"

xxxxp woah, I think I remember you. I was Desantnik.

OMG. I think I argued with you once or twice, lol!

haha, I was on the extreme end of things metal-wise. If you repped CoF, then we definitely had a word or two.

BJO arguing even back then? :D

It was right in the middle of a major depressive episode so honestly it would have been more rare if I wasn't arguing with people, usually in a series of expletives.

Emperor were getting flack for IX Equilibrium at the time, which was misguided.

Limp Bizkit's cover of Faith is probably the second most embarrassing song that I love, the first being the theme song from Dawson's Creek

I don't think IX Equilibrium was that bad. I liked about half of it (even though it was a marked step downward from its predecessor).

But the backlash I speak is that many metalheads in that channel basically wanted to disown Emperor's past because of one misstep.

haha wow guys i love ix equilibrium

damn

So any thoughts about the female contribution to nu-metal, folks?

Kittie? Sugarcoma?

I met the members of Kittie when they were on their first North American tour - they were opening for Disturbed. The Lander sisters' dad was their tour manager.

The thing that I tend to remember most about Kittie is that they tended to go through bandmembers like people with colds go through Kleenex.

I dont remember one single song by them. I just remember them being around.

You don't even remember that song I played for the LOLs in plug the other night? XD

they were a gimmick, and a dumb one at that. 'omg let's show the boys that girls can be metal too'. sorry, that had already been done (and better) by like, Girlschool, and the lead vocalist for the band Chastain, and even a few years earlier by Drain S.T.H.

Drain S.T.H. were they the swedish Alice In Chains soundalikes? They didn't have the S.T.H. bit in their name here, we dont do the london suede or charlatans uk thing.

yeah that was them.

the more poppist and annoying to "good taste" nu-metal gets the more i warm to it

"charlotte" is awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkRWTWBBsAc

siamese dream-ish quality to their guitar tone

i just had a klondike bar, and i'm listening to staind

― markers, Monday, July 1, 2013 9:00 PM

how the fuck did we go from siamese dream to significant other in only six years

person pitch came out six years ago

jesus new filter album will really hurt your ears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NVzypkryyc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUlXGPC0SE

it is everything bad about bad things.