CURRENT "BLACK FLAG" tour

Yeah i remember them talking about why RP fell out with Flag in this - but I can't recall if they said he was ever paid even a token sum for the name or logo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0u04EqNVjo

He's properly minted now, of course, so I'm sure he's not too bothered!

for sure - just the principle of the thing, with ginn suing over the value of the name & logo

Let the cats claw you to hell - you silly cunt.

God I hope they counter-sue for royalties from (as Ginn's suit says) "over one million units sold"

^^

http://www.spin.com/articles/flag-black-greg-ginn-lawsuit-won-keith-morris-henry-rollins/

verdict: rollins never quit the band

and Ginn lost

love the comments

Uh.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/what-the.../id727788209

http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Music6/v4/9f/2c/d7/9f2cd77d-59a7-78f0-ed6c-49aa6a945431/888003267824.170x170-75.jpg

that artwork is hideous, and would be even if it was a NOFX or Less Than Jake album cover....

I have a feeling that cover perfectly encapsulates the music within.

this is the REAL FLAG!

This is what happens when you burn bridges with your infinitely more talented brother, I guess.

btw I went to the Flag reunion and Pettibon designed an (awesome) new tour t-shirt for them that was on sale

This one?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1401385_646393225405340_1520880077_o.jpg

I love that one part of the whole attitude of FLAG is seeing how much they can get under Greg Ginn's skin.

oh fuck I want that tee shirt

From a friend on FB: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=597856710275916&set=a.149258521802406.30503.100001547769952&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=597856710275916&set=a.149258521802406.30503.100001547769952&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

can you post whatever that is? link requires facebook

Link doesn't work even if you have an FB account fwiw

Ah - it was the My War sleeve with WHAT THE HELL printed on top of it in a box, like the recent Bowie sleeve.

hey this record sucks ass

what you don't believe me?

http://www.stereogum.com/1554272/stream-black-flag-what-the/mp3s/album-stream/

You're fine, I believe you

Black Flag vocalist Ron Reyes has parted ways with the currently revived incarnation of the legendary punk act. In a post to his Facebook page earlier this evening, Ron reveals that he was fired on stage at the November 24th date of band's Australian tour and was replaced by professional skateboarder Mike Vallely.

Good for Ron.

He should join Flag.

"fired on stage" as in during the middle of a song?

"RISE ABOVE! RISE AB-"

"Ok, that's quite enough, off you go."

lol

naw it should be more like an oldtimey baseball umpire

*points off stage* YOU'RE OUTTA HEAH

Lol - apparently they fired him with two songs left, and finished the show with another band member on vocals. At that stage of the show, what was the point?

Sounds about as awkward as the Misfits show that Michale Graves quit the band on-stage.

He should join Flag.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:51 AM

On November 24th 2013 the last night of the Australian Hits and Pits tour with two songs left in the set Mike V comes on stage stares me down, takes my mic and says “You’re done, party’s over get off it’s over…” He said something else to me but it was a lie so I won’t repeat it here. So with a sense of great relief that it was finally over I left the stage and walked to the hotel room. They finished the set with Mike V on vocals. There is much more that can and perhaps should be said. But for now I will spare you the gory details. The writing was on the wall since before we played our first show. So many things went wrong from the start. I was into things like having a good drummer, rehearsing and spending time on things like beginnings and endings of songs, being a little less distracted with tour life and a little more on the ball. You know things that would make our efforts worthy of the name Black Flag… Yes it is my opinion that we fell very short indeed and the deminihing ticket sales and crowds are a testament to that. However It was made clear to me that raising these issues was tantamount to a blasphemous stab in the back to Greg. How could I question him, his efforts and hard work? How could I dare be a fan of OFF! And or be friends and a fan of Flag? I was told that I had to chose sides. But I refuse to treat someone like an infalable Pope figure. No guitarist deserves such unquestioning blind devotion. And so I have been excommunicated in a very strange fashion. I truly feel sorry for anyone who had to witness the infantile behaviour and the relentless provocation I was subjected to both on and off the stage. I regret that under such fierce provocation and taunting I sometimes responded in maners bellow my standard. I am greatful for the opportunities Greg gave me. There were some magical moments at first. I was naive enough to believe in the promise of potential. But in the end the good was no match for the overwhelming bad. It am proud of my contributions including the new album and it’s cover. Come on folks it’s only rock n roll. I would not be surprised if Mike V becomes the new singer for Black Flag. It is my opinion that they have been planing this for some time. I wish them well. Mike is a true deciple of Greg and so they have a good working relationship. And Ironicly the tension over the last weeks has brought out some of Greg’s best playing. So it could be interesting. I will miss playing with Dave Klien. He is a great kid and truly an outstanding bass player. Dave was an anchor that kept me from losing my place on a nightly basis. Trust me that was no easy task for either of us. I truly apologize for being in or more accurately “appearing” to be in competition with “Flag”. They know my heart on this matter. From the beginning I was happy for them and fully supported and understood why they would want to rock those songs and have a good time with friends and family. Yes I questioned their use of the name and logo but in no way questiond their motivation or right to do their thing. I envy them for they have succeeded in ways that were never possible with “Black Flag”. And once again for the record, I agreed to do Black Flag before I knew there was a Flag. I mean no malice towards Greg or Mike although they will most likely see things very differently. I wish them luck and prosperity. I have learned many valuable lessons this year. And these lessons will enrich my personal and musical endeavours. Cheers. Ron Reyes.

PARTY'S OVER, TELL THE REST OF THE CREW

we're probably only about two-three months removed from a pro wrestler joining the lineup

lol Ginn should change the name of the band to The People's Republic of North BlackFlagistan

it's sad, who will give us more crayon-vomit cover artwork?

greg ginn will provide

http://www.sstsuperstore.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/SST359_320x320.jpg

Ron was one of the sweetest of the guys I interviewed for my Black Flag book, and I was, to be honest, a little sad for him that he'd taken part in the reunion. Hope he's not hit too hard by this shit-show.

Hope he's not hit too hard by this shit-show.

― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:14 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fired onstage. god i hate ginn.

listening to the new one on Spotify....

honestly it's not nearly as bad as people are saying

hank shteamer's review in pfork is a great read

it sounds fucking terrible though! like it was recorded at a guitar center in 1998

When all is said and done, Black Flag were great last night.

This was my second Black Flag show since the Greg-Henry-Kira-Anthony lineup of '85, or third if you count seeing Flag last fall (Keith-Chuck-Dez-Bill-Stephen--love the zero overlap between those versions of the band!), where Keith dedicated "Jealous Again" with "Fuck you, Greg Ginn" at the end. I loved Flag, and had to miss Black Flag's Triple Rock show, but somehow they (Greg-Mike-Tyler-Brandon) decided to swing through the Twin Cities again this summer, and played a relatively uncrowded gig at the Amsterdam in St. Paul last night.

I liked what I took to be new songs, one from the band Good For You that people chanted for, "Fucked Up." Ginn joined us in the pit for slamming during the closer "Louie Louie." He played theremin during some guitar solos. He came out and talked to everyone afterward. Maybe that's all standard, but he and the band seemed to be happy and having a blast. I thought the singer and bass player were great. The drummer was hummingbird light, easy with the shifts in tempo of those songs, and I loved being able to hear each snare beat individually and almost melodically. The respect for these songs was obvious.

Honestly, I really think only Ginn can play this way, which I knew going in to Flag, but really felt in the splatter of solos and guitar lines last night. Flag doing "Depression" with Keith on vocals was a special thing, but so was Greg playing that line, on a song about something he obviously struggled with.

Nearly everyone hates what Ginn is doing these days but Peter...

Well, this Black Flag has only been playing shows since May 15. If they'd sprung up out of nowhere, I'd say, "Go see this great new hardcore-punk-funk band with a theremin." But obviously the songbook is central and inescapable. If anything, Mike seems slightly wary of the audience, maybe for that reason, and hides in the songs. But the difference from the lineup of a year ago (at least judging by Youtube) becomes obvious on a song like "Depression," where the new drummer actually plays the fill.

Flag were so great last night. I've never slamdanced with such a grin on my face. I didn't realize how badly I needed to hear "Rise Above" live.

I started a "Fuck Greg Ginn" chant after Keith Morris said "we're being forced to tour under this name because of the way we were treated by this one complete asshole" or something like that.

do they always put the setlist in a very visible place on the drum kit? that was a little weird, knowing in advance the songs....probably to stop fanboys from shouting out requests

Hmm I have been debating going to see Flag in August but wasn't sure as it isn't cheap.

yeah I saw em a couple years ago on the first tour and honestly I was so happy it "felt" like Black Flag in a way I doubt any of these official Ginn weird lineups did.....the Descendents dude had Ginn's guitar sound and riffs DOWN

Setlist large and visible, well if you were upfront in DC. A great oldies but goodies set from Flag.