What are the best/essential Smashing Pumpkins tracks?

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Coincidentally, I just bought the new Billy Corgan CD

Wait, I thought it wasn't out for two more days...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Set the Ray to Jerry is indeed a very nice one (I'm still making my way though these)

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Starla is the perfect thing for my psych-loving self! Great song!

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

None of them, of course.

Ismael, Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Ismael's right. It's a trick question.

Stoner Guy, Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

You two are fun little people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the actual music, though, with the exception of the song Today, which is too Paul McCartney-esque in its sentiment for me to take seriously. Cherub Rock reminds me of a Heatmiser Song; I like Heatmiser, but I didn't like Cherub Rock.

The theatricality of Silverfuck, and the heavier stuff, which I like much better

Try this live version of Today. Far less prissy.
http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0TPFP11M142Y11SG0QX8E1MKNP

btw, try Bodies, XYU, Zero, or Where Boys Fear To Tread if you like heavy.

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Billy really should sing with a little more vibrato and a little less downward pitch-diving.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

If you like the psych Zep guitarzz, check out some Gish tracks, especially "Bury Me."

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

gotta put the 2 cents in---
seek-
drown
STARLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
siamese dream (yes, the song)
window paine
frail n' bedazzeled
XYU!!!!!!!
jackboot (lol)
heavy metal machine (live only)
blue skies bring tears (alt. Machina 2 version, the speed version)

destroy-
adore.all of it.and most of machina.any iha song.

eedd, Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Your last line is the product of demons.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

nay, sir.
tis not.
i merely can not(but did try) get into adore. many have argued, none have won. for me it very easily the point where i say the true decline began...even corgan admits it was a blunder and a fluke.

as for machina, well, all i gots to say is-Machina 2=the real rawk.

c'mon, iha's songs all sounded too sappy- blew away, the boy,etc.=ick.

eedd, Monday, 20 June 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, "Home" off of Machina 2 is a great great lost song.

PB, Monday, 20 June 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Frail and Bedazzled is fantastic. I'd also second Hello Kitty Kat, Pissant, and Geek USA.

Pisces Iscariot is their best, I say.

cdwill, Monday, 20 June 2005 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
1979 is the obvious pick - great songwriting by billy corgan
i love age of innocence as well - in fact i DO like machina
by the way, did you know the Pumpkins were reforming ?

El carnal, Sunday, 28 August 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Astounding lack of love here for the never-equalled "Rhinoceros," an easy OPO for me: the big washy epic buzz of their later stuff, with an admirable mystery that some of their later songs boringly dispel. "Rhinoceros" = SP's "Radio Free Europe" as against _Mellon Collie_ = SP's still-worthwhile but more direct and concomitantly less interesting _Automatic for the People_.

Guayaquil, Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Machina is vastly underrated, these are all classic:

"The Everlasting Gaze"
"Raindrops and Sunshowers"
"Stand Inside Your Love"
"Try Try Try"
"Heavy Metal Machine"
"Wound"

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe im i'm the only one but i'm pretty fond of "ode to no one" as far as rockin' pumpkins goes. anyone else...?

coil my, Monday, 29 August 2005 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a fine one...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Secret favorite low-key Pumpkins tracks -- "Set the Ray to Jerry" and "Shame

Amen. "Set the Ray..." in particular.

Also:

"Soma"
"I am one"
"Rhinoceros"
"Glynis"
"Hummer"
"Stand inside your Love"
"Everlasting Gaze"
"Landslide"
"Mayonnaise"

One of the best bands in the world to be 16 years-old to. All the drama, exaggerated self-importance, angst and wide-eyed innocence you could ever want in one convenient package.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

mayonaise
snail
silverfuck
sweet sweet
drown [their best song ever]

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

nb the live version of 'silverfuck' recorded at brixton academy, 1993(4?) and on the viewphioria video/cd captures the *exact moment i realised corgan/the pumpkins were totally full of shit

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

ie i was at that show, and they never needed to cover 'over the rainbow', ever.

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Instead, it needed to be "The Sound of Music."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Said Sadly
Mouths of Babes
My Blue Heaven (a cover, but still wicked)
Mayonnaise
Zero
Eye
Ava Adore

Erock Lazron, Monday, 29 August 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

alright, i'm gonna have to say it, Machina just wasn't made right. the production kills that album, whereas Adore the production's so slick, it's too glossy. i know, some people would say that about EVERY SP release, but, the only trks off Adore i can even listen to are the singles, and that's after years of trying. Machina...well...i'll just pop it on every so often just to skip around and finally put in Machina II:FaEoMM. it rips the skin off Machina and makes it do push ups in vinegar!

other tracks to seek, not destroy---
Apathy's Last Kiss
Bullet Train to Osaka
La Dolly Vita
Plume
Smiley
Groover (Gravity Demo)
Razor (never recorded, but played live '90/91 era)
Try to Try (not to be confused w/ TryTryTry, another '90/91 era live)

MOuths of Babes is certainly a GREAT b-side, as is Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right).

it's a shame they never recorded some of the stuff they'd do live (Rattler/Razor/Try to Try).

Eye would get honorable mention.

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

alright, i'm gonna have to say it, Machina just wasn't made right. the production kills that album, whereas Adore the production's so slick, it's too glossy. i know, some people would say that about EVERY SP release, but, the only trks off Adore i can even listen to are the singles, and that's after years of trying. Machina...well...i'll just pop it on every so often just to skip around and finally put in Machina II:FaEoMM. it rips the skin off Machina and makes it do push ups in vinegar!

other tracks to seek, not destroy---
Apathy's Last Kiss
Bullet Train to Osaka
La Dolly Vita
Plume
Smiley
Groover (Gravity Demo)
Razor (never recorded, but played live '90/91 era)
Try to Try (not to be confused w/ TryTryTry, another '90/91 era live)

MOuths of Babes is certainly a GREAT b-side, as is Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right).

it's a shame they never recorded some of the stuff they'd do live (Rattler/Razor/Try to Try).

Eye would get honorable mention.As would the cover of "Dancing In the Moonlight"

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

ACK!
double post!!!
mod, please erase 1st.

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the production on Machina is perfect!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 29 August 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

It's lush, that stuff. Even/especially at its loudest.

"Heavy metal, heavy metal machine, so sentimental..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Highlights for me are the guitar 'crunch' on "Everlasting Gaze", the (actual) Peter Hook bass on "Raindrops and Sunshowers", and the patented Pumpkins whisper-to-a-scream transitions in "Stand inside your Love" which is kind of "Tonight, Tonight" part 2.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, now I need to listen to the album again, it's been a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yes, and cheers for the video to "Stand Inside Your Love" being the ultimate Aubrey Beardsley tribute.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"Essential", don't make me laugh. 'Cherub Rock', 'Geek USA', 'Tonight Tonight' and 'Bullet With Butterfly Wings' rock convincingly enough, but (like the rest of the band's catalog) they'd all be better if Billy Corgan kept his mewling mouth shut.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank you for this truly unique observation, which I have never heard before.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

In my long-lasting quest to prove that Billy Corgan is probably a fun guy to be around, I present: (Hi Ned!)

ihttp://www.whatevs.org/images/dailypics/0903/bozo_billy.jpg

haters gotta recognize...

John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, for fucks sake...

http://metalmachine.free.fr/billybozo.jpg

John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Smashing Pumpkins, but I'd bet that Billy wouldn't be all that much fun to hang out with. However, the fact that he'd probably annoy the crap out of me in real life takes nothing away from the stunning body of work that he has bequeathed to the world. Hell, I think that a significant percentage of my favourite artists would probably fit in the same category. Perry Farrell immediately comes to mind.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I heard an extensive interview he did with Howard Stern and he seemed very good humored and likeable!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

And yes Ned, love the "Stand Inside Your Love" video!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link

If you hold hands with Bozo, the whole world smiles with you...

John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

My POX selection:

- Through the eyes of Ruby
- Obscured
- Hummer
- Silverfuck
- Starla
- Apathy's Last Kiss
- Bullet w/ Butterfly Wings
- The Aeroplane Flies High (looks left, turns right)
- Rhinoceros
- Where Boys Fear To Tread

but it's all great...

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno, Machina always sounds 'murky' to me, well, most of it.
Stand Inside Your Love and Heavy Metal Machine and even Everlasting Gaze seem to be almost exempt, but even HMM gets a coating of 'murk' on it. it's like the low-end is cast off to put more high on...i don't dig that.
production wise, it's hard to top Siamese or even Mellon Collie.

it's all subjective, i suppose. i've spent way too much time disecting this band...

eedd, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, any love for the acoustic version of Cherub Rock released on Viewphoria?

Just lovely fast strummy strummy rhythm guitar. Fun to play, too.

Viz (Viz), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

my SP OPO is rocket, always and forever.

petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

POX

drown
mayonnaise
glynis
slunk
silverfuck
pissant
hello kitty kat
why am i so tired
to sheila
the mouths of babes

6335, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

"Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, any love for the acoustic version of Cherub Rock released on Viewphoria?"

I've got a lot of love for that version. Always a good choice whenever someone hands you a guitar and says "Play".

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

why billy corgan is such a cool rock star (from way back in 2000):

Rock star Billy Corgan has broken his silence regarding the events that took place last Saturday at the ECW television taping in Peoria, IL. The following is a transcript of his comments on the incident, which was recently covered on MTV, and will air, in its entirety, this Friday during ECW on TNN.

"Let me start by saying that this incident with "Lou E. Imitation" is a complete outrage. For weeks I had been looking forward to singing the national anthem in front of the good people of Peoria, Illinois, an honor bestowed on me by Paul Heyman himself, who had personally invited me to open the show last Saturday night. ECW is my favorite promotion in the world, and never having sung our national anthem in public before, it was an opportunity I just couldn’t say no to.

It started out to be a great night, getting the chance before the show to talk to some of my favorite wrestlers, great guys like Jerry Lynn, Rob Van Dam, The Sandman and Justin Credible. I was nervous about doing a great rendition of the anthem, but looked forward to sitting back after I sang to watch the show. So after the warm reception I received from the crowd when I was announced as a surprise guest, what followed was like a bucket of cold water. Before I could play a note I was attacked by Lou “I used to be the Sign Guy but the Dudley’s left me behind” Dangerously and his band of reckless thugs, Steve Corino, Scotty Anton, and Jack Victory.

It was, needless to say, a unwarranted intrusion upon my performance, and an insult that won’t be easily forgotten. Lou may be the greatest manager in sports entertainment, but he is a no class individual who should be ashamed to call himself an American. Hopefully the fans will get the chance to judge this entire situation for themselves F
riday night on TNN"

ballz mahoney, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

SP OPX playlist I made a couple of months back:

Bury Me
Plume
La Dolly Vita
1979
Galapogos
Ava Adore
Tristessa
Never Let Me Down
Hummer
Obscured

If I made the list today it'd probably be different, but I'd say 1979, La Dolly Vita, Never Let Me Down are certs. Obscured is the first one in the list every time.

Laney, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man, too many. Don't have my records here but here's a go:

The End is the Beginning is the End
Bury Me
Soothe
1979
Appels & Oranjes
Soma
Snail
Where Boys Fear To Tread
Bullet With Butterfly Wings

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i kind of want to make a mix editing together a bunch of billy's guitar solos, pastichio medley style

brimstead, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link

I thought I was a relative SP completist but I have no idea what any of these are!

"soot and stars" is a machina b-side, a relatively pretty piano ballad. it was on that b-side collection they included with some copies of the greatest hits. the others iirc are on various demo comps. "autumn nocturne" is a hilarious pick for "essential" sp

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link

i kind of want to make a mix editing together a bunch of billy's guitar solos, pastichio medley style

― brimstead, Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes! this is the first one that came to mind-

2:12 to 2:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzBVvD1vUvM

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link

2:20 to 2:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbPCMoAFHAg

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

nice

brimstead, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link

i have signed up to do the Smashing Pumpkins poll and it will be more than 20 picks.

so in about 3 years...

Bee OK, Friday, 9 October 2015 06:07 (eight years ago) link


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