"UK GARAGE, MY ARSE!" '50 Ways The Alternative Nation is Fighting Back' 13th anniversary POLL

it went bust xmas 2000

Ultimately I can never turn down an opportunity to vote for King Adora.

KING ADORA?

Mencap otm

hang on, THE WEIRDNESS OF 'KID A' sounds like a 70s Peter Sellers flick

Will never not vote Toploader in an ILM poll.

dear god

the king adora cover issue of MM was the first magazine I ever bought. Must have been...8?9? Heady days.

*first music magazine

there's something sweet about this broad coalition of trad beat music they tried to build, knowing that within less than a year the Alternative Nation wd savagely purge Coldplay, Travis and Toploader in a series of show trials

Bobby G making politics sexy

sorry, just noticed this one

looking for this issue online brought up this gem
http://www.angelfire.com/nd/kawaii/mansun.html

The guy impersonating Craig David on the john has a website here:

http://about.me/alistermorgan

Dear Sir...

9th August
10 days til V2000 exactly.
Also, it's wednesday so there's the whole NME/MM saga, but this week it is definitly both. Gig reviews and album reviews in both, but if you're the sort of person that can't cope with bad reviews get MM. DIE WELLS DIE IN PAIN!

prescient stuff

what the shit is this

jesus no wonder i rejected the UK music press wholesale when i was growing up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3PIIyFxCog&list=TLUNvtkjn1SLGn_Tx49vI_cq4hhbYBtRDQ

Chris Bicknell 1 year ago

My favourite band of all time. As much as I like Oasis, Blur, KUla Shaker etc etc Mansun were the GREATEST band of the nineties.

I quite liked Mansun but lol at that

jesus no wonder i rejected the UK music press wholesale when i was growing up

― lex pretend,

Lex what is really sad is that up until britpop MM was GREAT

well, white supremacist in a different way, anyhow

http://i.imgur.com/3bZUVt6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4CWyB3r.jpg

and not long after the final issue came
http://i.imgur.com/gAT4Eit.jpg

well, white supremacist in a different way, anyhow

― You don’t get that at your local UK Garage club (Noodle Vague),

http://everything2.com/title/Melody+Maker

OMG how have I never seen this before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeGA7sA8HDw

NAPSTER- Music for free! Nuff said

This list is giving me so much joy.

That CD makes The Alternative Nation look like the Steve Lamacq of Neo-Nazi parties.

is that even more unforgivable than a fascist salute?

xxps

have to go with number 8 here. unless we're voting 'funniest' rather than actual best thing in the list.

"best thing"

THE CARLING WEEKEND READING AND LEEDS- The best festival ever

Hahahahahahaha

Incredible thread.

Mark Sutherland ‏@msutherlanduk
6. Everyone who works in the music biz should be made to walk from Reading Station to the festival site & feel the pulse of the alt nation
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did this list seem as weird at the time? i've no recollection of seeing it. i'd bought every issue from about 1990 until 97ish when things got sketchy. the whole transforming-it-into-a-mag-to-look-more-like-Kerrang idea was insanity clearly. are the people who had that idea still in work? where had they come from when they took the paper over? and where did they go? i think we should be told.

and where did they go?

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Mark Sutherland
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Wordmonger for Kerrang!, Q, Rolling Stone, Telegraph mag & more. Albums guy for @whymusicmatters. Ex-6 Music, Billboard, MM, NME, Smash Hits etc. Views my own.
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This was my youth. My youth was rubbish.

Actually good things: Chemikal Underground, errr Wichita and the stoner rock revival had some OK moments I guess, I was going to say At the Drive-In's hair but white 00s indie kids' preoccupation with said hair was pretty questionable, uh...

Bobby G making politics sexy.

Didn't work for his dad in 1988

You look back over this and realise quite why the music press wet themselves so much over the Strokes.

I know a lot of good people lost their jobs but it really isn't surprising IPC euthanised this shit if this was the best they could come up with.

This was roughly the same era when the NME were telling us that Tiger and Terris were going to rule the world.

This list is like a mixtape covered in glittery nail varnish stamping on a human face forever.

Actual best = stoner rock probably or maybe Napster
Funniest = King Adora or the Dum Dums.

Voting King Adora.

34. MOSHING/CROWD-SURFING/LIVE CHAOS- You don’t get that at your local UK Garage club.

I'm just popping over to my local UK Garage club if anyone wants anything.

tbh it's completely understandable that a weekly music publication pitched at young-ish readers shd need to form a constituency and to define itself partly with a spurious oppositional stance.

what's odd/sad/funny about the last days of MM and the NME is

a) the constituency was shattering so fast and so far apart that this attempt to cobble together an Alt Nation looks archaic and hilarious already - Toploader and undie Hip Hop? yum yum, two great tastes etc

b) when i was a hipster teen reading the music press i felt like i was sitting in at the grown-ups table. obv there's a lot of subjectivity here but its hard to believe that kids reading crap like this didn't feel pandered to

c) in short: so desperate, so pathetic, and the shoutiness cranks up to cover this the more desperate it gets. this is Hip Teacher cobblers of the worst order

42. XFM- It’s getting better and better. But we’re still keeping an eye on you…

cheeseburger, I'd like some moshing and some live chaos please- OH WAIT

b) when i was a hipster teen reading the music press i felt like i was sitting in at the grown-ups table. obv there's a lot of subjectivity here but its hard to believe that kids reading crap like this didn't feel pandered to

This is the thing. I never read Kerrang! regularly but it never seemed to patronise its audience in quite the same way.

yeah Bo Selecta didn't help him none.

He changed his image so he no longer resembled the puppet

What's amusing me about the Stay Beautiful playlist is that I genuinely thought it was an original early-00s playlist until I saw Lady Gaga in the middle as the one concession to the last decade.

Although if I had a bottomless pit of money and even less self-awareness (and I long every day for both) I would start my own club night with a suspiciously pre-2005 playlist with even less popular appeal than Rachel Stamp apparently have in 2013, so Price is still ahead of me there

oh man if i ran my own club night there wd be about 12 people in there but it wd be the best

That was pretty much what happened with mine.

in retrospect bo selecta was pretty shockingly explicitly racist

it certainly wasn't funny

Funnily enough circa the time of this very MM issue I was very tangentially involved with a group of people running a club night, which clutched at every micro-hype going including some of the ones on this list in a desperate bid not to get kicked out for something more profitable, and still only got 12 people through the door. So I was thinking of figures closer to the 0 mark, but yeah.

Any Brightonians know how well attended Stay Beautiful is these days? (It seems there is one on tonight but don't go just to report back. Ugh, have I been tricked into street-teaming?)

in my limited provincial experience tho (and i have no idea how things work in the bigger cities) running anything like a viable club night involves playing the same obvious demeaning shite week in week out to crowds of music-hating twats who are terrified of anything they don't know

students you mean? or "normal" people?

students probly worse but make up more of the market

I would have thought the more um "meatmarket" clubs made up most of the nightclub market.

esp in provincial towns

if you're suggesting that students and meatmarket clubs are mutually exclusive then this is very offtm, certainly in my experience

oh i wasnt

meatmarkets with different music

Oh the glory days when ILM/Freaky Trigger/Poptimism was on a mission.

there's not many meatmarket clubs per se round here, late pub opening has blurred the lines and the old school clubs are gone - maybe a couple just the other side of the river - but the few functioning nightclubs are catering to a studentish crowd on the whole. also the line between students and any young people in the 18-25 bracket is v. blurry except at the extreme end of the underclasses

on the other hand, the last time i passed thru Wakefield it was like a National Trust heritage site for the 80s

also i probably wasn't clear about the crushing repetition of the playlists - i got no ish with the pop/dance/r'n'b nights, it's the more studenty "another chance to hear the indie canon from 1980 on" shite that crushes the soul

i don't really care, i dunno why i'm dissecting this, everything is tawdry and horrible

dunno that the big cities are really that much different on that front, e.g. through unfortunate empirical research i've discovered that pretty much every indie pop club night across the country is basically the same, london just has a bunch of them. but then i don't know how much that particular kind of homogeneity is really the concern. i'd go to your club though, promise i'll bring at least two friends too.

i mean i don't suppose anyone cares about indie pop nights specifically, but rather that for the most part there are a small number of template for club nights in general and in bigger cities it's just that the number of clubs fitting each template is multiplied.

i struggle(d) to find places that were good to carry on drinking but where the music wasn't interminable was the main thing i think

that and judging people because they like things i don't

i dunno why i'm dissecting this, everything is tawdry and horrible

New board description.

my arse

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

How many MM writers pre 95 were still there in 2000?

Or had they all completely buggered off to Uncut/Mojo etc

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

yesssssssssssss

UK Garage...in my arse?

50. YOU LOT 1

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