they were awful in 2000
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
btw i want to add that Pitchshifter were terrible by this point in 2000. I even sold my old cds in disgust LOL
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
of course they were awful but so was idlewild and pretty much everything on this list.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link
technically they got even worse and lord knows how bad they must be now but in 2000 they were abominable
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link
idlewild's 2000 lp wasn't too bad, they were still ripping off fugazi or husker du at this point
they got a lot worse
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link
the delgados must have reached a peak of respectability around 2000 too
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
whatever happened to Terris?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
the absolute worst uk thing on this list is probably king adora
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
i started uni in this era and just remember thinking about how terrible the music people were listening to was. most students either listened to gomez and idlewild or terrible Ibiza trance. coming from a very progressive sixth form college it was a very disappointing culture to be absorbed into.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
I remember the NME being fairly pro-UKG around this time, positively reviewing a load of stuff, putting So Solid and Craig David on the cover etc. Then again it was trance and superclub house they declared war on.
Amazing how irreleveant most of this stuff turned out to be. I have fond memories of this thread though:
A Hundred Reasons why Hundred Reasons are shite
Especially when one of the band turned up all butthurt.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
Relationship of Command is still a massive album. I still play ADF's Community Music now and then, though that was perhaps a bit later?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
was king adora the same thing as queen adreena or did they have nothing to do with each other?
I do not remember the Yo-Yo's at all
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link
King Adora were from Birmingham and had a very rabid under 16 female fanbasewho usually liked Rachel Stamp too.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
I still quite like king adora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LQJUihrBso
― our music pushed off airwaves and common room stereos across the land (bends), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link
super furry animals were also resident indie feeb hierarchs 1997-2003 or whatever
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:22 (ten years ago) link
every 'respectable' indie band of that time lived in their shadow
1st couple of SFA albums were great and they were really good live. After those albums they weren't as good.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
Grandaddy were popular too. I miss them.
i think i saw grandaddy in 2000'the crystal lake' was nice
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
http://www.forum.scallycentral.com/viewtopic.php?p=14398&sid=2fec6801e116574cf66ffb38b3771e9c
― our music pushed off airwaves and common room stereos across the land (bends), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link
i actually saw grandaddy early on in their career supporting sfa
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link
MOSHER GIRL!!! wrote:ha wrote:,don't pretend that you don't get scared when you see a group of scallys, i witness this all the time, moshers walkin past scallys and the mosher always seems 2 a)cross the road or b) s h i t themselves..
No i dont think so... obviously you dont go 2 liverpool very often... moshers fight back.... A gang of scalls ran from everyone in liverpool onto a bus and called the police... we wouldnt let them go we stood in front of the bus smashed windows, fucked up the drivers engine ran on the bus n kicked the shit out of them so watch out we arent all little wimps!!!
Wow I think I saw that :shock:
Cool well if you did see it... it was such a good day he he!!!!!!!!! well it isnt all good any more some scallies have guns now and they tried to shoot my friend :) the nobheads!!! but no problems i can safely say my gun should be shipping soon... well i hope anyway!!
― our music pushed off airwaves and common room stereos across the land (bends), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, October 4, 2013 3:11 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they were a Wildhearts spinoff! they were also my first paid review for a national music publication
― Dance kings intent on making us laugh and groove at the same time (DJ Mencap), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link
members of Honeycrack?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:33 (ten years ago) link
Voted Kelis for somehow slipping through the MM's black music filter. I was obsessed with her when Kaleidoscope came out.
The rest is either horrible or good but described in a horrible way.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:36 (ten years ago) link
my recollection is that chart trance got treated quite kindly by the NME circa the millennium, in a popist sort of way
xp can't recall who the singer was but it was one of that crowd. Danny McCormack possibly, he said without looking it up as he was about to go home
― Dance kings intent on making us laugh and groove at the same time (DJ Mencap), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:36 (ten years ago) link
Grandaddy were very good. It wasn't ALL awful, I just remember listening to a lot of old records and experimental electronica at the time like a god-awful shut in
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link
All i can say that w/r/t MM/NME of the time THANK FUCK FOR NAPSTER and being able to expand my horizons in the way I wanted to. No more struggling or failing to find the records I read about elsewhere and wanted to hear. Also fuck MM for loving that awful Suede album Head Music and making me buy it and fuck MM for Catatonia AOY
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:47 (ten years ago) link
btw this magazine cover/list is all over twitter today and not just ilxors
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
Danny McCormack was bassist in The Wildhearts so I guess The Yo-Yos were his brother's band?
― Neil S, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link
Actually 2000 had a lot of good to great albums: Kelis, Grandaddy, Outkast, Primal Scream, Sigur Ros, Radiohead, QOTSA, Black Box Recorder, David Holmes, Ghostface, Lambchop, Eminem, Godspeed, PJ Harvey, etc. Yet it felt like a slump anyway.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link
some OK stuff in this list http://tinyurl.com/pv7b4qg but the avalanches were terrible
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
RUN!
― Mark G, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
Why were they so excited about a solo career from a member of Three Colours Red in 2000?
Even at the time it was obvious that this was an atrocious period for guitar pop.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 October 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
I never got why the NME/MM took the side of 3 Colours Red over The WIldhearts.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
They were exactly the same.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 October 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
no they weren't
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
ruh roh Matt
― Dance kings intent on making us laugh and groove at the same time (DJ Mencap), Friday, 4 October 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
Melody Maker End Of Year Critic Lists - 2000
Albums
1. Eminem – The Marshall Mathers LP2. Coldplay – Parachutes3. Badly Drawn Boy – The Hour Of The Bewilderbeast4. Primal Scream – Exterminator5. Radiohead – Kid A6. Manson – Little Kix7. Pj Harvey – Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea8. Elastica – The Menace9. Limp Bizkit – Chocolate Starfish10. JJ72 – JJ7211. Doves – Lost Souls12. Granddaddy – The Sophtware Slump13. Idlewild – 100 Broken Windows14. Embrace – Drawn From Memory15. At The Drive-In – Relationship Of Command16. …And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead – Madonna17. The Dandy Warhols – Thirteen Tales From Urban Bohemia18. Queens Of The Stone Age – Rated R19. Teenage Fanclub – Howdy!20. Belle And Sebastian – Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant21. Fatboy Slim – Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars22. Sigur Ros – Agaetis Byrjun23. The Delgados – The Great Eastern24. Super Furry Animals – Mwng25. Black Box Recorder – The Facts Of Life26. The Webb Brothers – Maroon27. Placebo – Black Market Music28. Yo La Tengo – And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out29. The Offspring – Conspiracy Of One30. Lambchop – Nixon31. Eels – Daisies Of The Galaxy32. Marilyn Manson – Holywood….33. Roni Size Reprazent – In The Mode34. Baby Bird – Bugged35. Madonna – Music36. Daphne And Celeste – We Didn’t Say That37. Asian Dub Foundation – Community Music38. Six By Seven – The Closer You Get39. Oasis – Standing On The Shoulders Of Giants40. Brassy – Got It Made41. Crashland – Glued42. Cypress Hill – Skull And Bones43. Kylie Minogue – Light Years44. Soulwax – Much Againset Everyone’s Advice45. The Vandals – Look What I Almost Stepped In46. Sleater-Kinney – All Hands On The Bad One47. The Go-Betweens – The Friends Of Rachael Worth48. Nofx – Pump Up The Valuum49. Green Day – Warning50. Deftones – White Pony
Singles
1. Spiller – Groovejet2. Eminem – Stan3. Coldplay – Yellow4. The Bloodhound Gang – The Bad Touch5. Eminem – The Real Slim Shady6. Primal Scream – Accelerator7. Limp Bizkit – Take A Look Around8. Mint Royal – Don’t Falter9. Queens Of The Stone Age – Feelgood Hit Of The Summer10. Blink 182 – All The Small Things11. Sisqo – Thong Song12. Eminem – The Way I Am13. Death In Vegas – Aisha14. Daphne And Celeste – Ugly15. Manson – I Can Only Disappoint U16. Doves – The Cedar Room17. Black Box Recorder – The Facts Of Life18. Manic Street Preachers – Masses Against The Classes19. Primal Scream – Kill All Hippies20. Blur – Music Is My Radar21. Belle And Sebastian – Legal Man22. Idlewild – Actually It’s Darkness23. The Offspring – Original Prankster24. At The Drive-In – One Armed Scissor25. Madonna – Music26. PJ Harvey – Good Fortune27. Cypress Hill – Rock Superstar28. All Saints – Pure Shores29. JJ72 – October Swimmer30. Coldplay – Trouble31. Sugarbabes – Overload32. Daphne & Celeste – Ooh Stick You33. Limp Bizkit – My Generation34. Placebo – Slave To The Wage35. Queens Of The Stone Age – The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret36. Fatboy Slim – Sunset [Bird Of Prey]37. Kylie Minogue – Spinning Around38. Dr Dre – Still Dre39. Moloko – The Time Is Now40. King Adora – Bionic41. Travis – Coming Around42. Dr Dre – Forget About Dre43. Babybird – Out Of Sight44. Idlewild – Those Wooden Ideas45. Doves – Catch The Sun46. Britney Spears – Oops!! She Did It Again!47. Muse – Muscle Museum48. The Dandy Warhols – Bohemian Like You49. Outkast – Bob50. Oasis – Go Let It Out
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
MM did like Idlewild in 2000 nakh.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 16:29 (ten years ago) link
Genuine lol at the Thong Song at #11 there. Way to fight back dudes.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 October 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
loving dog latin's trollingly misunderstanding schoolkids
annoyed to discover that that Laverne solo track actually appeared on a CD, and that it was this
b) when i was a hipster teen reading the music press i felt like i was sitting in at the grown-ups table. obv there's a lot of subjectivity here but its hard to believe that kids reading crap like this didn't feel pandered to
this was punishingly obvious at the time, the desperation of Sutherland* feeling out of touch and constantly trying to second-guess what a non-existent amorphous group comprising The Kids would be into, and suck up to them in advance. terrified of their own aging and irrelevance.
*DYS
― I'm not a rockist, I just hate Rap-A-Lot (sic), Friday, 4 October 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
xpost Did a piece about Sub Pop recently, and Steve Turner of Mudhoney cited the YoYos to exemplify all that was wrong with late-90s Sub Pop.
― Unsettled defender (ithappens), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link
From my pov this is definitely the time I stopped reading the music press. Obviously there were other factors at play - the Internet, the fact I was over 18 etc - but until then I remember mags like select, mm, nme being genuinely fun to read. Select became dreadful in this era too - endless irrelevant Oasis front covers, it wasn't the same. I felt like I was being SOLD to for the first time. Maybe I was just older and wiser or maybe the music press just went shit. Or both, who knows..
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:02 (ten years ago) link
this is probably the most amazing list i've ever read
Less Than Jake and a host of punk heroes do it for the kids. Take note, Placebo et al!
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
15. CHRIS McCORMACK - He’s back! Grand Theft Audio thankfully great, former 3 Colours Red hero Chris as barmy as ever.
man i was worried he wasn't as barmy as he used to be
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
i stopped reading the weekly music press the week my first child arrived in the world at the end of 96 (louise werner was on the cover of the nme - felt that it was a good time to break the bond).hence i had no idea re this era of MM.clearly i didn't miss much .
― mark e, Friday, 4 October 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
(louise werner was on the cover of the nme - felt that it was a good time to break the bond)
I remember an amazing MM issue with Wener on the cover, and three ALMOST-IDENTICAL photos of her side-by-side on the center spread, with the same hand on hips pose and light-on-gorm mouth open, just with a minutely different cast of the hips.
Obviously the photo editor was aghast at her uselessness as a subject and decided to make a subtle silent protest
― I'm not a rockist, I just hate Rap-A-Lot (sic), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
8. LONDON'S TRASH CLUB- Revitalising indie clubs with style and eclecticism.
was that simon price?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link