"UK GARAGE, MY ARSE!" '50 Ways The Alternative Nation is Fighting Back' 13th anniversary POLL

the absolute worst uk thing on this list is probably king adora

i started uni in this era and just remember thinking about how terrible the music people were listening to was. most students either listened to gomez and idlewild or terrible Ibiza trance. coming from a very progressive sixth form college it was a very disappointing culture to be absorbed into.

I remember the NME being fairly pro-UKG around this time, positively reviewing a load of stuff, putting So Solid and Craig David on the cover etc. Then again it was trance and superclub house they declared war on.

Amazing how irreleveant most of this stuff turned out to be. I have fond memories of this thread though:

A Hundred Reasons why Hundred Reasons are shite

Especially when one of the band turned up all butthurt.

Relationship of Command is still a massive album. I still play ADF's Community Music now and then, though that was perhaps a bit later?

was king adora the same thing as queen adreena or did they have nothing to do with each other?

I do not remember the Yo-Yo's at all

King Adora were from Birmingham and had a very rabid under 16 female fanbasewho usually liked Rachel Stamp too.

I still quite like king adora

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LQJUihrBso

super furry animals were also resident indie feeb hierarchs 1997-2003 or whatever

every 'respectable' indie band of that time lived in their shadow

1st couple of SFA albums were great and they were really good live. After those albums they weren't as good.

Grandaddy were popular too. I miss them.

i think i saw grandaddy in 2000
'the crystal lake' was nice

http://www.forum.scallycentral.com/viewtopic.php?p=14398&sid=2fec6801e116574cf66ffb38b3771e9c

i actually saw grandaddy early on in their career supporting sfa

MOSHER GIRL!!! wrote:
ha wrote:
,don't pretend that you don't get scared when you see a group of scallys, i witness this all the time, moshers walkin past scallys and the mosher always seems 2 a)cross the road or b) s h i t themselves..

No i dont think so... obviously you dont go 2 liverpool very often... moshers fight back.... A gang of scalls ran from everyone in liverpool onto a bus and called the police... we wouldnt let them go we stood in front of the bus smashed windows, fucked up the drivers engine ran on the bus n kicked the shit out of them so watch out we arent all little wimps!!!

Wow I think I saw that :shock:

Cool well if you did see it... it was such a good day he he!!!!!!!!!
well it isnt all good any more some scallies have guns now and they tried to shoot my friend :) the nobheads!!! but no problems i can safely say my gun should be shipping soon... well i hope anyway!!

I do not remember the Yo-Yo's at all

― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, October 4, 2013 3:11 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they were a Wildhearts spinoff! they were also my first paid review for a national music publication

members of Honeycrack?

Voted Kelis for somehow slipping through the MM's black music filter. I was obsessed with her when Kaleidoscope came out.

The rest is either horrible or good but described in a horrible way.

my recollection is that chart trance got treated quite kindly by the NME circa the millennium, in a popist sort of way

xp can't recall who the singer was but it was one of that crowd. Danny McCormack possibly, he said without looking it up as he was about to go home

Grandaddy were very good. It wasn't ALL awful, I just remember listening to a lot of old records and experimental electronica at the time like a god-awful shut in

All i can say that w/r/t MM/NME of the time THANK FUCK FOR NAPSTER and being able to expand my horizons in the way I wanted to. No more struggling or failing to find the records I read about elsewhere and wanted to hear. Also fuck MM for loving that awful Suede album Head Music and making me buy it and fuck MM for Catatonia AOY

btw this magazine cover/list is all over twitter today and not just ilxors

Danny McCormack was bassist in The Wildhearts so I guess The Yo-Yos were his brother's band?

Actually 2000 had a lot of good to great albums: Kelis, Grandaddy, Outkast, Primal Scream, Sigur Ros, Radiohead, QOTSA, Black Box Recorder, David Holmes, Ghostface, Lambchop, Eminem, Godspeed, PJ Harvey, etc. Yet it felt like a slump anyway.

some OK stuff in this list http://tinyurl.com/pv7b4qg
but the avalanches were terrible

RUN!

Why were they so excited about a solo career from a member of Three Colours Red in 2000?

Even at the time it was obvious that this was an atrocious period for guitar pop.

I never got why the NME/MM took the side of 3 Colours Red over The WIldhearts.

They were exactly the same.

no they weren't

ruh roh Matt

Melody Maker End Of Year Critic Lists - 2000

Albums

1. Eminem – The Marshall Mathers LP
2. Coldplay – Parachutes
3. Badly Drawn Boy – The Hour Of The Bewilderbeast
4. Primal Scream – Exterminator
5. Radiohead – Kid A
6. Manson – Little Kix
7. Pj Harvey – Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea
8. Elastica – The Menace
9. Limp Bizkit – Chocolate Starfish
10. JJ72 – JJ72
11. Doves – Lost Souls
12. Granddaddy – The Sophtware Slump
13. Idlewild – 100 Broken Windows
14. Embrace – Drawn From Memory
15. At The Drive-In – Relationship Of Command
16. …And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead – Madonna
17. The Dandy Warhols – Thirteen Tales From Urban Bohemia
18. Queens Of The Stone Age – Rated R
19. Teenage Fanclub – Howdy!
20. Belle And Sebastian – Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant
21. Fatboy Slim – Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars
22. Sigur Ros – Agaetis Byrjun
23. The Delgados – The Great Eastern
24. Super Furry Animals – Mwng
25. Black Box Recorder – The Facts Of Life
26. The Webb Brothers – Maroon
27. Placebo – Black Market Music
28. Yo La Tengo – And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out
29. The Offspring – Conspiracy Of One
30. Lambchop – Nixon
31. Eels – Daisies Of The Galaxy
32. Marilyn Manson – Holywood….
33. Roni Size Reprazent – In The Mode
34. Baby Bird – Bugged
35. Madonna – Music
36. Daphne And Celeste – We Didn’t Say That
37. Asian Dub Foundation – Community Music
38. Six By Seven – The Closer You Get
39. Oasis – Standing On The Shoulders Of Giants
40. Brassy – Got It Made
41. Crashland – Glued
42. Cypress Hill – Skull And Bones
43. Kylie Minogue – Light Years
44. Soulwax – Much Againset Everyone’s Advice
45. The Vandals – Look What I Almost Stepped In
46. Sleater-Kinney – All Hands On The Bad One
47. The Go-Betweens – The Friends Of Rachael Worth
48. Nofx – Pump Up The Valuum
49. Green Day – Warning
50. Deftones – White Pony

Singles

1. Spiller – Groovejet
2. Eminem – Stan
3. Coldplay – Yellow
4. The Bloodhound Gang – The Bad Touch
5. Eminem – The Real Slim Shady
6. Primal Scream – Accelerator
7. Limp Bizkit – Take A Look Around
8. Mint Royal – Don’t Falter
9. Queens Of The Stone Age – Feelgood Hit Of The Summer
10. Blink 182 – All The Small Things
11. Sisqo – Thong Song
12. Eminem – The Way I Am
13. Death In Vegas – Aisha
14. Daphne And Celeste – Ugly
15. Manson – I Can Only Disappoint U
16. Doves – The Cedar Room
17. Black Box Recorder – The Facts Of Life
18. Manic Street Preachers – Masses Against The Classes
19. Primal Scream – Kill All Hippies
20. Blur – Music Is My Radar
21. Belle And Sebastian – Legal Man
22. Idlewild – Actually It’s Darkness
23. The Offspring – Original Prankster
24. At The Drive-In – One Armed Scissor
25. Madonna – Music
26. PJ Harvey – Good Fortune
27. Cypress Hill – Rock Superstar
28. All Saints – Pure Shores
29. JJ72 – October Swimmer
30. Coldplay – Trouble
31. Sugarbabes – Overload
32. Daphne & Celeste – Ooh Stick You
33. Limp Bizkit – My Generation
34. Placebo – Slave To The Wage
35. Queens Of The Stone Age – The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret
36. Fatboy Slim – Sunset [Bird Of Prey]
37. Kylie Minogue – Spinning Around
38. Dr Dre – Still Dre
39. Moloko – The Time Is Now
40. King Adora – Bionic
41. Travis – Coming Around
42. Dr Dre – Forget About Dre
43. Babybird – Out Of Sight
44. Idlewild – Those Wooden Ideas
45. Doves – Catch The Sun
46. Britney Spears – Oops!! She Did It Again!
47. Muse – Muscle Museum
48. The Dandy Warhols – Bohemian Like You
49. Outkast – Bob
50. Oasis – Go Let It Out

MM did like Idlewild in 2000 nakh.

Genuine lol at the Thong Song at #11 there. Way to fight back dudes.

loving dog latin's trollingly misunderstanding schoolkids

annoyed to discover that that Laverne solo track actually appeared on a CD, and that it was this

b) when i was a hipster teen reading the music press i felt like i was sitting in at the grown-ups table. obv there's a lot of subjectivity here but its hard to believe that kids reading crap like this didn't feel pandered to

this was punishingly obvious at the time, the desperation of Sutherland* feeling out of touch and constantly trying to second-guess what a non-existent amorphous group comprising The Kids would be into, and suck up to them in advance. terrified of their own aging and irrelevance.

*DYS

xpost Did a piece about Sub Pop recently, and Steve Turner of Mudhoney cited the YoYos to exemplify all that was wrong with late-90s Sub Pop.

From my pov this is definitely the time I stopped reading the music press. Obviously there were other factors at play - the Internet, the fact I was over 18 etc - but until then I remember mags like select, mm, nme being genuinely fun to read. Select became dreadful in this era too - endless irrelevant Oasis front covers, it wasn't the same. I felt like I was being SOLD to for the first time. Maybe I was just older and wiser or maybe the music press just went shit. Or both, who knows..

this is probably the most amazing list i've ever read

Less Than Jake and a host of punk heroes do it for the kids. Take note, Placebo et al!

15. CHRIS McCORMACK - He’s back! Grand Theft Audio thankfully great, former 3 Colours Red hero Chris as barmy as ever.

man i was worried he wasn't as barmy as he used to be

i stopped reading the weekly music press the week my first child arrived in the world at the end of 96 (louise werner was on the cover of the nme - felt that it was a good time to break the bond).
hence i had no idea re this era of MM.
clearly i didn't miss much .

(louise werner was on the cover of the nme - felt that it was a good time to break the bond)

I remember an amazing MM issue with Wener on the cover, and three ALMOST-IDENTICAL photos of her side-by-side on the center spread, with the same hand on hips pose and light-on-gorm mouth open, just with a minutely different cast of the hips.

Obviously the photo editor was aghast at her uselessness as a subject and decided to make a subtle silent protest

8. LONDON'S TRASH CLUB- Revitalising indie clubs with style and eclecticism.

was that simon price?

Price was Stay Beautiful. I went to that once.

Grandaddy were my favourite band c.2000 + I really liked Black Box Recorder but I also owned the Brassy album.

IIRC Trash was Erol Alkan and was all electroclash + Kate Moss + 'sleazy glamour'; Stay Beautiful I don't really remember what it's 'thing' was but probably all Manics + Bowie + really obvious token northern soul record once an hour.

There's not a whole lot of Stay Beautiful/post-romo/Placebo type stuff on this list with the exception of King Adora.

Hadn't Simon Price left MM under a cloud not long before this?

Stay Beautiful #1 took place on Wed 10 Jan 2001 according to the Stay Beautiful website.

I guess ‘LITTLE KIX’ is another example of this sort of stuff that made it onto the list.

Hadn't Simon Price left MM under a cloud not long before this?

He tweeted earlier

Simon Price ‏@simon_price01 3h

Basically, MM 2000: "Enough of these black people, with their exciting and futuristic pop! We must fight back with Toploader and Travis!"

Simon Price ‏@simon_price01 3h

I left Melody Maker in 1997, with the escape route of a contract to write a Manics book. Looking at that list, I couldn't be more grateful.

Simon Price ‏@simon_price01 3h

Some of the things on that MM list are genuinely great, and don't deserve to be tarnished by association with Mark's Kampf. But the rest...

THE MUSIC WE PLAY

WE PLAY: DIRTY SLEAZY GLAM AND GLITTER ROCK // ANGSTY BOY-MUSIC AND SHOUTY GRRL-MUSIC // HI-VOLTAGE ELECTRO AND FUCKED-UP DISCO // '77 PUNK AND ALTERNATIVE ANTHEMS // …AND A FLASH DASH OF POP TRASH
Not a lot of black people on the Stay Beautiful playlist either, to be honest:

by which we mean things like...

Adam And The Ants * Babes In Toyland * Bikini Kill * Blondie * David Bowie * Kate Bush* Buzzcocks * The Cramps * The Cure * Daisy Chainsaw * The Damned * Dead Or Alive * Dresden Dolls * Duran Duran * Fischerspooner * Gogol Bordello * Goldfrapp * The Gossip * Guns N' fckn' Roses * Hedwig And The Angry Inch * Hole * Horrorpops * Huggy Bear * IAMX * Iggy Pop * Interpol * Jack Off Jill * Joan Jett * Joy Division * Kenickie * King Adora * Kiss * Kylie * Lady Gaga * Ladytron * Le Tigre * Manic Street Preachers * Marilyn Manson * Mansun * Mindless Self Indulgence * Minty * Motley Crue * New York Dolls * Nine Inch Nails * Party Monster * Peaches * Pink Grease * Pixies * Placebo * Prince * Public Image Ltd * Pulp * Queen Adreena * Rachel Stamp * Ramones * Robots In Disguise * The Rolling Stones * Roxy Music * The Runaways * Shangri-La’s * Sex Pistols * Shampoo * Siouxsie And The Banshees * Patti Smith * The Smiths * Soft Cell * Sparks * Gwen Stefani * The Stooges * Suede * The Sweet * T. Rex * T.A.T.U. * Velvet Goldmine * Patrick Wolf * Yeah Yeah Yeahs * X-Ray Spex, etc (you get the idea)