No love for "I Love You"? "I Can't Stand It"?
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link
I forget - the only tracks I kept from that album are Wild Child and Ride Into the Sun. the dry, proggy arrangements just grate on me
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
I wasn't looking forward to Lou's "I Can't Stand It," since the Velvets' is easily one of my favorite things (and the first song of theirs I heard), but Lou's isn't bad at all.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
listening now - ugh those backup singers
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
I was talking to ILX's Colonel Poo on the night Lou Reed died and he was saying how disappointed he was when he heard the VU version 'cos he loved Lou's version so much. It's the only song on the album where Clem Cattini's irritating clodhopping drumming actually fits.
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
my main memory of the album is how there is absolutely zero reverb on it - every instrument sounds like it was recorded separately in a closet, totally airless
xp
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
i wouldn't vote for the gift.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 17:45 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
love the gift. also love "a gift" from coney island baby
― flopson, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
Yes the album is ineptly produced and features a bunch of players who couldn't play rock 'n' roll if their lives depended on it - thank God for Lou and his songs!
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
there is not a single song in his catalogue where the solo version is better than the vu version
― iatee, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
au contraire! solo version of Sheltered Life is hilarious
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
The slower, melancholy solo "Ride Into The Sun" is better than VU version.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
I can think of a few - mind you, mostly the fairly ropey demos on the expanded "Loaded"
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
― iatee, Wednesday,
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
jazz Lou! flute solo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtxMgZSKGI8
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
― iatee, Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:26 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm finding that out (now onto Transformer). I'm really, really glad I heard the Velvets' versions of these first. Although, I can imagine what a revelation it must've been for those familiar with the Lou versions to hear VU for the first time.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link
"She's My Best Friend" versions are about equal, to my ears
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 18:56 (ten years ago) link
shakey yr call completely obv (and if you've got ballots where ppl have two different versions of a song on there in different places i guess there's no work around) but i would suggest for tracks where ppl vote for this live version or that live version or the album version or a demo version that you might only allow one vote for the track but if ppl want to specify a specific version they can and then when you roll out the results you note it when you list the totals for that track. basically what they do for remixes on year end polls or w/ a few other artist polls. that way certain tracks don't have their vote watered down or aren't basically competing against themselves. anyhow stoked for this, i'm sure it'll end up velvets top heavy (it should end up velvets top heavy) but i think there will be some great diversity and maybe FACTIONS will emerge. make the rollout as long as possible imo. i mean elton john got a hundred track rollout, would guess you rank the velvets at least equal to elton john. maybe i'm wrong though.
― balls, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 21:47 (ten years ago) link
lol you didn't read the elton rollout thread did you
yr suggestion re: various versions sounds good, was mostly waiting til I see ballots to make that kind of call
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 October 2013 21:57 (ten years ago) link
I think Sally Can't Dance is actually a really fun, underrated album. I don't actively dislike any of the songs, and I can probably only say that about one other solo Lou LP (Coney Island Baby, my fave). It's a weird record. I like weird touches like the "you can just keep it" thing in "Baby Face." I assume Lou was pretty strung out during the making of that LP.
I dig Lou's "She's My Best Friend," "Love Makes You Feel," and "Oh Jim" more than the VU versions.
― Kent Burt, Thursday, 31 October 2013 01:35 (ten years ago) link
first ballot received! featuring a song I've never even heard of in the number one spot lol.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 31 October 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
Gun vs the gun
― Jesus (wins), Thursday, 31 October 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
http://images1.mtv.com/shared/media/images/amg_covers/200/drf500/f514/f51483unkw1.jpg?width=300&height=300&enlarge=false&matte=true&matteColor=black&quality=0.85
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 1 November 2013 00:36 (ten years ago) link
Sally Can't Dance boasts "Kill Your Sons," "Billy," the title track, and "Animal Language." Four more, I might add, than Rock and Roll Heart (his most forgotten album? will anyone defend it?) and Berlin
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 00:37 (ten years ago) link
Drella counts right? the more i listen to it, the more i think it's one of the best albums ever made and totally a one-off within the history of music.
some genius has uploaded the entire live version which astonishingly is *still* unreleased on DVD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djwtXCzW5BY
grab it fast before it gets taken down again.
― piscesx, Friday, 1 November 2013 02:01 (ten years ago) link
(xp) "Animal Language" is terrible though! I would add "Ride Sally Ride", "Ennui" and "Baby Face" to that list of good tracks though. "Rock and Roll Heart" has been discussed on ILM before.
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Friday, 1 November 2013 08:57 (ten years ago) link
I listened to the entirety of Drella yesterday and a lot of it is solid but it drags on in the middle. and it's on the whole a huge bummer :(. agree that that live performance is the best, I remember seeing that broadcast on PBS as a teen.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I was in college, I made my roommates let me have control of the TV so I could watch it. Thought it was great, but haven't seen it since except a few snippets on YouTube.
In other news, I was listening to "I Heard Her Call My Name" on the way to work today AND MY MIND SPLIT OPEN.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:36 (ten years ago) link
I know the results are gonna end up pretty lou reedy because of circumstance
but let us not forget john cale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEpMMMWB3GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeFYJdW3xDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D47E4CNWmZc
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link
looooove that '85 version of "Dying on the Vine," especially the guitar work.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
If I vote in this it will be a cale-heavy ballot for sure
― Jesus (wins), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
yeah this board has a heavy Cale-bias
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
as has been borne out in multiple polls already
I would be surprised if a single cale solo song is in the top 10 let alone 20
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
due to circumstance but also because he doesn't have the same # of agreed-upon hits
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
Shakes, I know we discussed it already, but this is gonna be an unwieldy poll: Velvets AND solo material?
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
I know probably nobody wants to change the rules once it's started, but one possible alternative would be two ballots -- 25 Velvet votes, 25 solo. But that would entail more work in the counting and rollout, obviously.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link
Velvets AND solo material?
this is not what I wanted. this is what everybody else said they wanted.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link
It's on now..
Still tho.
― Mark G, Friday, 1 November 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
I got no problem splitting my ballot.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
feel free to do that if you like, but each of your number 1s is just gonna get 25 points, and I'm not gonna roll out separate results
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
somebody can just split up the results afterwards, it's not gonna change things drastically
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
if anyone has ideas/time to develop graphics for this btw I'm open to suggestions. interested in doing something besides just a bunch of youtube links but I dunno
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
oh I don't care about point assignment at all; just assign them the usual.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
have a lot of ballots come in already?
also, damn "Hedda Gabbler" is awesome! never heard it before today.
― reckless woo (Z S), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link
I only have 2 so far
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
i don't closely follow the Timing and Order of ILM Polls thread (or whatever it's called) so i missed the argument about how to conduct the VU (& friendz) poll. but i can't imagine who was arguing that there wouldn't be enough interest in the solo members to warrant their own polls. i'm sure there'd be lots of interest in them! and plus it's your poll, you should do it the way you want it!
anyway, i realize you probably already had the debate and made your decision, and plus you've probably already received some ballots with solo songs on them and don't want to force those people to revote.
― reckless woo (Z S), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's too late to turn back now. the initial debate was on the Timing and Order thread and there were several people who said they would not vote in a solo careers-only poll, and consensus was that a combined VU+solo poll would attract more voters. I was basically alone in wanting the solo careers-only path (I don't really care about the Velvets' part tbh) but felt I was on the hook to do something, so this is it.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
i'll definitely be looking forward to seeing the full ballots of everyone and finding some lesser-known solo gems. enjoying the cale's 1977 Animal Justice EP so much.
― reckless woo (Z S), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
I have never heard a John Cale record. I don't really know why, other than when I first got into the Velvets I liked guitars and I liked Lou, and I figured Cale records wouldn't have much of either.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
i can't imagine who was arguing that there wouldn't be enough interest in the solo members to warrant their own polls
balls, clemenza, somedude, seandalai, Euler, WilliamC
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
Wonder if Donald Fagen was around to witness that.
― Kid Creole Meets Señor Coconut at a fIREHOSE Show (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
Put Jerry on your shoulder.
― Harper Valley CTA-102 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 September 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
Andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slaAGS7f0LU
― Harper Valley CTA-102 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 September 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
hey it's the hideout!!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 16 September 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link