I know the results are gonna end up pretty lou reedy because of circumstance
but let us not forget john cale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEpMMMWB3GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeFYJdW3xDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D47E4CNWmZc
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link
looooove that '85 version of "Dying on the Vine," especially the guitar work.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
If I vote in this it will be a cale-heavy ballot for sure
― Jesus (wins), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
yeah this board has a heavy Cale-bias
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
as has been borne out in multiple polls already
I would be surprised if a single cale solo song is in the top 10 let alone 20
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
due to circumstance but also because he doesn't have the same # of agreed-upon hits
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
Shakes, I know we discussed it already, but this is gonna be an unwieldy poll: Velvets AND solo material?
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
I know probably nobody wants to change the rules once it's started, but one possible alternative would be two ballots -- 25 Velvet votes, 25 solo. But that would entail more work in the counting and rollout, obviously.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link
Velvets AND solo material?
this is not what I wanted. this is what everybody else said they wanted.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link
It's on now..
Still tho.
― Mark G, Friday, 1 November 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
I got no problem splitting my ballot.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
feel free to do that if you like, but each of your number 1s is just gonna get 25 points, and I'm not gonna roll out separate results
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
somebody can just split up the results afterwards, it's not gonna change things drastically
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
if anyone has ideas/time to develop graphics for this btw I'm open to suggestions. interested in doing something besides just a bunch of youtube links but I dunno
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
oh I don't care about point assignment at all; just assign them the usual.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
have a lot of ballots come in already?
also, damn "Hedda Gabbler" is awesome! never heard it before today.
― reckless woo (Z S), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link
I only have 2 so far
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
i don't closely follow the Timing and Order of ILM Polls thread (or whatever it's called) so i missed the argument about how to conduct the VU (& friendz) poll. but i can't imagine who was arguing that there wouldn't be enough interest in the solo members to warrant their own polls. i'm sure there'd be lots of interest in them! and plus it's your poll, you should do it the way you want it!
anyway, i realize you probably already had the debate and made your decision, and plus you've probably already received some ballots with solo songs on them and don't want to force those people to revote.
― reckless woo (Z S), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's too late to turn back now. the initial debate was on the Timing and Order thread and there were several people who said they would not vote in a solo careers-only poll, and consensus was that a combined VU+solo poll would attract more voters. I was basically alone in wanting the solo careers-only path (I don't really care about the Velvets' part tbh) but felt I was on the hook to do something, so this is it.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
i'll definitely be looking forward to seeing the full ballots of everyone and finding some lesser-known solo gems. enjoying the cale's 1977 Animal Justice EP so much.
― reckless woo (Z S), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
I have never heard a John Cale record. I don't really know why, other than when I first got into the Velvets I liked guitars and I liked Lou, and I figured Cale records wouldn't have much of either.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
i can't imagine who was arguing that there wouldn't be enough interest in the solo members to warrant their own polls
balls, clemenza, somedude, seandalai, Euler, WilliamC
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
I'm considering an all Angus Maclise and Willie Loco Alexander ballot in protest.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:32 (ten years ago) link
Jail them (xp)
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
Wait, I'm totally wrong, I have those Sun Blindness Music records and I love them.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
I have never heard a John Cale record. I don't really know why, other than when I first got into the Velvets I liked guitars and I liked Lou, and I figured Cale records wouldn't have much of either.Wha?! Not even Vintage Violence?!
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, Cale's a fantastic guitarist.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
Church of Anthrax? I sincerely hope Church of Anthrax doesn't get buried but I suspect it won't.
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
Wha?! Not even Vintage Violence?!
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, November 1, 2013 2:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
(sheepishly)...um...no.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
But I love The Marble Index nearly as much as any Velvets record (and more than most Lou records), and Cale's obviously all over that.
then today is your big day! i think you'll like church of anthrax because it's extremely groovy iirc.
yeah it's a totally different john cale! he has a lot of sides. it's one of the things i like about him.
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
Listening to CoA on youtube now...holy crap, how did I miss this? Groovy indeed, and very Can-ny.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link
Yaaaay.
I know it's not groundbreaking or anything, but Gideon's Bible is one of my favorite songs of all time and it's just a plain old regular normal song that's special because it's John Cale singing it. (sorry for the embed if we're not supposed to do that)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EF0vSV2-TI
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZaykeu_dis
― Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRtSmzkByE
― Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Friday, 1 November 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0eqW7612KU
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link
3 ballots in and so far results are very lol
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 19:47 (ten years ago) link
I would just release the results now, every future ballot just waters down mine
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link
I know it's not groundbreaking or anything, but Gideon's Bible is one of my favorite songs of all time and it's just a plain old regular normal song that's special because it's John Cale singing it. (sorry for the embed if we're not supposed to do that)
This is pretty great. I was checking out some other parts of Vintage Violence and it totally didn't square with my impression of what a John Cale record would sound like.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 November 2013 19:51 (ten years ago) link
#TeamBrandenburgGate
― Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Friday, 1 November 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
it totally didn't square with my impression of what a John Cale record would sound like.
I had a similar reaction upon first hearing Paris 1919 years ago. For the longest time I had assumed that Cale's solo output was dominated by droning dirges (a la Nico) or aggro noise freakouts (what with album titles like the Church of Anthrax and Vintage Violence, etc.) and was totally surprised.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
I probably won't vote in this, bcz I only really know the VU stuff really well. But this thread has been great for getting me to listen to some of the solo stuff I've never investigated. Hedda Gabler is amazing!
― when the second single is the title track (askance johnson), Friday, 1 November 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
I know I said this somewhere else, but my first reaction when I finally found a copy of Fear was "jeez, I could have been listening to this great stuff instead of slogging through those lame solo Lou Reed albums"
and yes, Hedda Gabbler is amazing, top five Cale tunes for me
― sleeve, Friday, 1 November 2013 20:03 (ten years ago) link
John Cale has some really excellent songs from the 80s. Dead Or Alive from Honi Soit and Hungry For Love from Caribbean Sunset are particularly strong.
Here is Dead Or Alivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddR7zJcGjtY
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 1 November 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJis65pCrJI
My fave Cale song
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 1 November 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
Caribbean Sunset is exactly the sort of title I'd avoid, since we were talking about that! What's it like?
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
Caribbean Sunset will not make you forget Fear, but it's pretty solid. Hungry For Love is essential.
I don't want to clutter this thread with videos so just take the hyphen out if you want to hear it. And if you like good music, you'll want to hear it.
http://www.you-tube.com/watch?v=U2xO94wEsDY
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 1 November 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link
ehh caribbean sunset is pretty bad
― iatee, Friday, 1 November 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link
oh man, i'm a fool. i had never heard VU before. i didn't realize there WERE studio versions of songs like Foggy Notion and I Can't Stand It! i'm familiar with most of the songs from various live releases and bootlegs, but it's still an eyeopener.
― reckless woo (Z S), Saturday, 2 November 2013 01:04 (ten years ago) link