still, there'a a big gap between "comparable in quality" and a filler
― nostormo, Friday, 1 November 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
also imo teenage billy yule is a more interesting/stronger drummer than moe tucker (sorry moe)esp the freakout in sweet nuthin!!
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, November 1, 2013 12:02 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
He's great on that, but I imagine Moe woulda brought it into a different universe entirely (not necessarily better, just different).
Generally, though, I think Moe was one of the more groundbreaking drummers of her time. Billy's fine on Loaded, but he's working well-worn territory (cymbal crashes go here, fills go here).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i can hear that -- but in a song like that i think it sounds good and right! i like it at least. i can imagine aiming for it and missing in interesting ways too.
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
not that i've tried...
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:12 (ten years ago) link
"amazing that they made 4 radically different records in just about four years"
i don't know id it's radically different than the 3rd, more like a logical step forward
― nostormo, Friday, 1 November 2013 16:14 (ten years ago) link
wtf never heard this before. surprised there was stuff NOT included on Peel Slowly box!
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, November 1, 2013 11:59 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Most of Another View isn't on there, and it's missing "Ocean," "Andy's Chest," "She's My Best Friend," and the first six notes of "Foggy Notion" from VU.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I think for along time I assumed everything was on the box set, but alas. I've still never heard a bunch of that stuff from Another View.
― when the second single is the title track (askance johnson), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
well yeah I meant stuff that wasn't already issued elsewhere
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― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
Also, I don't know if it's "filler" per se, but I'd agree that there's about 50% of this album that I wouldn't mind never hearing again.
― when the second single is the title track (askance johnson), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
how come there's no VU and Nico poll?
― nostormo, Friday, 1 November 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
their career trajectory is interesting because it went from more arty to more pop, which is the opposite of other seminal 60s artists
― Treeship, Friday, 1 November 2013 16:29 (ten years ago) link
ahead of their times even on this aspect..
― nostormo, Friday, 1 November 2013 16:32 (ten years ago) link
the problem with this album is that it's too front-loaded (heh). the last minute of "sweet jane" and all of "rock and roll" are as good as music gets so the remainder of the album is bound to seem like a letdown, even though all of the songs are good (if not up there with the best VU material). i the reason people think there is filler on this album is because the high points are just so high.
― Treeship, Friday, 1 November 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
Wild Child - maybe my favorite Reed solo song - fits this record perfectly.
wish it was here (it was written while the VU were still going) and not on his 1st, otherwise boring solo record.
― nostormo, Friday, 1 November 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
I totally love the idea that a band known so much for their avant-gardeness and experimentation would make a sweet slow dance number like "i found a reason" or a rip roaring self-confidence anthem like "head held high" and then just slap them next to all those other great songs. it's one of the things i like best about those songs, how kinda standardy they are.
and then sweet nuthin at the end? not front loaded.
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
train round the bend is the only song on this i skip
― buzza, Friday, 1 November 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
rip roaring self-confidence anthem like "head held high"
never heard this as being particularly sincere.
― sleepingsignal, Friday, 1 November 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
it works either way!
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
that's why it's great. it could be a muppets song or ironic f u or whatever you want it to be.
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
man I love 'train round the bend'!
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
Someone said it upthread but yeah "Head Held High" sounds so fierce and unstoppable out of the gates and then it just kinda sputters out. Wish they would have developed that into a proper jammer.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
do the dog!do you people not dance? it's hard to keep up that kind of energy.
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
Where does it sputter out? Is this a different song we're talking about? And why do people constantly say "Loaded" is ironic? Lou's goofin' around a bit on "Head Held High" but I think it's pretty sincere.
not on his 1st, otherwise boring solo record.
Is not boring!
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
And we like Goofy Lou!
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
somebody's got the time time
― buzza, Friday, 1 November 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
"Head Held High" is my favorite of the album tracks.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 November 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
anyone who thinks that any part of this album contains filler or feels like a letdown should be thrown in jail
― you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
And the door nailed shut
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
It's not got filler, it's not a letdown, I just like the other albums more.
― Mark G, Friday, 1 November 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
That's ok. You will not be jailed.
― you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 1 November 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link
ta.
― Mark G, Friday, 1 November 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
including 'Squeeze'
(nr)
This record contains Lou's best vocals.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 1 November 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link
Missed this poll but amazed that Train Round the Bend came up last.
― Marcus / Xgau - Whose Century? (broom air), Saturday, 2 November 2013 01:20 (ten years ago) link
Sooo here you go -- they just announced a six disc special edition:
LOADED: RE-LOADED 45TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION
Disc One: Loaded Remastered Disc Two: Loaded Remastered: 1. "Who Loves The Sun"2. "Sweet Jane" - Full Length Version 3. "Rock & Roll" - Full Length Version 4. "Cool It Down"5. "New Age"6. "Head Held High"7. "Lonesome Cowboy Bill"8. "I Found A Reason"9. "Train Round The Bend" 10. "Oh! Sweet Nuthin'"Session Outtakes:11. "I'm Sticking With You" - New Remix12. "Ocean"13. "I Love You"14. "Ride Into The Sun"
Disc Two: Loaded Remastered: Promotional Mono Version
1. "Who Loves The Sun"2. "Sweet Jane" - Full Length Version 3. "Rock & Roll" - Full Length Version 4. "Cool It Down"5. "New Age"6. "Head Held High"7. "Lonesome Cowboy Bill" 8. "I Found A Reason"9. "Train Round The Bend"10. "Oh! Sweet Nuthin'"Singles and B-Sides11. "Who Loves The Sun"12. "Oh! Sweet Nuthin'"13. "Rock & Roll" *14. "Lonesome Cowboy Bill" *
Disc Three: Demos, Early Versions and Alternate MixesDemos 1. "Rock & Roll" - Demo 2. "Sad Song" - Demo 3. "Satellite Of Love" - Demo 4. "Walk And Talk" - Demo 5. "Oh Gin" - Demo 6. "Ocean" - Demo 7. "I Love You" - Demo 8. "Love Makes You Feel Ten Feet Tall" - Demo Remix9. "I Found A Reason" - Demo Early Versions10. "Cool It Down" - Early Version, Remix 11. "Sweet Jane" - Early Version, Remix 12. "Lonesome Cowboy Bill" - Early Version, Remix 13. "Head Held High" - Early Version, Remix 14. "Oh! Sweet Nuthin'" - Early Version, Remix Alternate Mixes15. "Who Loves The Sun" - Alternate Mix 16. "Sweet Jane" - Alternate Mix 17. "Cool It Down" - Alternate Mix 18. "Lonesome Cowboy Bill" - Alternate Mix 19. "Train Round The Bend" - Alternate Mix 20. "Head Held High" - Alternate Mix 21. "Rock & Roll" - Alternate Mix
Disc Four: Live At Max's Kansas City Remastered
1. "I'm Waiting For The Man"2. "White Light/White Heat"3. "I'm Set Free"4. "Sweet Jane" 5. "Lonesome Cowboy Bill"6. "New Age"7. "Beginning To See The Light"8. "I'll Be Your Mirror"9. "Pale Blue Eyes"10. "Candy Says"11. "Sunday Morning"12. "After Hours"13. "Femme Fatale"14. "Some Kinda Love"15. "Lonesome Cowboy Bill" - Version 2
Disc Five: Live At Second Fret, Philadelphia, 1970
1. "I'm Waiting For The Man"2. "What Goes On"3. "Cool It Down"4. "Sweet Jane"5. "Rock & Roll" 6. "Some Kinda Love"7. "New Age"8. "Candy Says"9. "Head Held High"10. "Train Round The Bend"11. "Oh! Sweet Nuthin'"
*previously unreleased
Disc Six: Audio DVD 96/24 Hi-Resolution Surround Sound Remix96/24 Hi-Resolution Stereo Downmix 96/24 Hi-Resolution Original Stereo Mix
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link
Second Fret getting a legit release! That's a nice bonus.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link
Jesus they should just stop already.
― Jazzbo, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:14 (eight years ago) link
But wait 'til you hear what's in store for the six-disc edition of Squeeze !
― Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:19 (eight years ago) link
Disc Two: Loaded Remastered: Promotional Mono Version1. "Who Loves The Sun"2. "Sweet Jane" - Full Length Version 3. "Rock & Roll" - Full Length Version
1. "Who Loves The Sun"2. "Sweet Jane" - Full Length Version 3. "Rock & Roll" - Full Length Version
whoa! What "Promotional Mono"? That had the "Full Length" versions? I don't think so.
I know "Who loves the sun" and "Oh Sweet Nuthin" came out in mono on the single (I have one), but .. Pictures! Or, it never happened.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:27 (eight years ago) link
ha, it does really annoy me that the *actual* version of sweet jane (you know, the one that was on the record for 25+ years) is not even included. as i think i've bellyached elsewhere, the heavenly wine & roses bridge is great as part of the song, but they really blow it on the "full length version" -- drumming is terrible, backing vocals are screwy etc. maybe this fake mono version will improve it but i'm not holding my breath.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link
OTM, and please tell me the original album version of "New Age" is on one of those 6 CDs.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link
Curious if the "Rock and Roll" and "Ocean" "demos" on disc 3 are the VU/Another View recordings.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
probably from the fully loaded set
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
Oh, right...I don't listen to that second disc too much.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
― tylerw, Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:44 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
iirc, Reed complained about the edit, saying it ruined the song...which, of course, didn't prevent him from only playing that version of it live for several decades.
I don't mind the restored edit myself (ha, and I actually like the drumming!), but what's jarring is the mix. It sounds like when the edit was restored, it was newly-mixed from the multitracks and then shoehorned into the original 2-track mixdown.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
Sounds like a runthrough to me, guide vocals and all, either the original edited section was lost or else it was edited prior to vocals and overdubs being added, in other words Lou was in on it?
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link
whoa, I don't know my VU lore here, is the version on Peel Slowly the "bad" full length version? I never heard Loaded before getting the box when it came out so I don't know the other, original version; maybe I'll like another version more?
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link
didn't prevent him from only playing that version of it live for several decades.
He was playing the full length version with the Tots in 1972.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link
yeah i think that was the last time he did it til the VU reunion in 93... did he keep playing it live like that afterwards though? i can't remember now...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
guess he didn't make metallica learn ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JucJAuDKqKw
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link