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― System, Monday, 30 December 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
why was this all twitter talked about this year?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 30 December 2013 00:44 (ten years ago) link
I think you're confusing this song with Blurred Lines.
― MarkoP, Monday, 30 December 2013 00:52 (ten years ago) link
Mention of tom jones itt: fp
The usual suspects: fp
Ray Charles version best I've heard, live version given me on tape for rehearsal purposes, dunno who other part was, impression given is that ray & partner know whats goin on and counted on it from the start- from her delivery, ray might be in trouble tbh.
The usual suspects: fp'd again, just in case.
― lorde othering (darraghmac), Monday, 30 December 2013 02:04 (ten years ago) link
Next: coerced ordination of snowman in walkin in a winter wonderland: agency, religion and slush-shaming
― lorde othering (darraghmac), Monday, 30 December 2013 02:06 (ten years ago) link
lol dmac
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 December 2013 02:24 (ten years ago) link
google sez ray charles/betty carter give yr ears a present
tom jones ffs
the usuals ffs
― lorde othering (darraghmac), Monday, 30 December 2013 02:34 (ten years ago) link
first time I ever heard this was on SNL in the 80's with Sigourney Weaver and Buster Poindexter and I found it creepy. But I like it now.
― akm, Monday, 30 December 2013 03:02 (ten years ago) link
I love that this was just a throwaway number for performing to houseguests for about five years, before Loesser thought to record it properly
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:33 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, this has colored the way I hear the song ever since I learned the background. Loesser wrote it for him and his wife to sing at parties where everyone was expected to show up with a number prepared. Which I think is sweet, and also mostly makes me wish I could've gone to those parties. (Less sweet I guess is that his wife was mad when he actually published and sold the song, because she thought of it as just their private thing.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 30 December 2013 03:30 (ten years ago) link
Just learned this, which highlights the coercion that some see in the lyrics. Not just coercion, but a predator/prey, winner/loser scenario.
The lyrics in this duet are designed to be heard as a conversation between two people, marked as "mouse" and "wolf" on the printed score; they have returned to the "wolf's" home after a date, and the "mouse" decides it is time to go home, but the "wolf" flirtatiously invites her to stay as it is late and "it's cold outside."[3] Every line in the song features a statement from the "mouse" followed by a response from the "wolf". Usually the "wolf" part is sung by a male and the "mouse" by a female.
Which led me to find this, which is OTM.
If no means no -- and I think we're all familiar with that concept -- then by refusing to accept her no, the wolf in question is displaying a fundamental disrespect toward the mouse. Sure, maybe it's a disrespect grounded in historical social rules. But it's still disrespect.
This is, I think, illustrative of why "yes means yes" -- the concept of enthusiastic consent -- is actually just as important as no meaning no. There's no confusion with an enthusiastic (rather than a grudging or coerced) yes. An enthusiastic yes means all parties are on board for the party in someone's Christmas pants.
Enthusiastic consent wasn't a thing in the time the song was written, which means that you can see the "mouse" (male or female) as interested but feeling restricted to being coy. But that reading just says to me that the social norms of the 1940s had pitfalls that blurred the line between yes and no.
― Je55e, Monday, 30 December 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
Ok well, see y'all next year! *waves bye*
― kate78, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 00:18 (ten years ago) link
baby, it's cold outside so bundle up
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link
This isn't over. This isn't over by a long shot!
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― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 05:46 (ten years ago) link
see what you did with your innocent poll
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 05:58 (ten years ago) link
Its over. Holiday song. Non rapey. stfu for 11 months the usuals. You'll have a shot again next year.
― lorde othering (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 08:08 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Rbkcxiibw
maybe not rapey, but definitely Ray C.
― Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 13:56 (ten years ago) link
xp WRONG! IT'S STILL COLD OUT AND PEOPLE STILL BE RAPING!!
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
cant deny yr argument tbf
― i kid because i glove (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
otoh, maybe if that damned fire hadn't been so delightful...
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
Ugh, not a fan of this new adjective "rapey." Seems like a great way to make anybody else's opinion invalid.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
at best, its a lazy attempt at describing a personal distaste. at worst, it's an attempt to demand a defense without having to stand by the accusation.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
And demonize anyone who disagrees.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
In 2014, I resolve to blame the victim more often.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
it makes a big difference how it's sung (the woman could sound like she's damn well fine with what's in the drink, the dude could violently shriek "WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO WITH MY PRIDE?"), but it IS a song that tries to suggest something romantic and playful in a dynamic that clearly has a coercive if not predatory element. That's more then enough reason to hate a christmas song - far be it from me to defend ANY holiday song, really.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
Well said. I haven't heard the song in ages so I can't really offer an opinion, but I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who enjoy the song without being rapists.
Next thing ya know, you'll be saying Nirvana's Polly is rapey. Oh wait...
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
Have we done the Beatles "Run For Your Life" yet?
― nickn, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
not so much rapey as abusive iirc
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
as in, rapey implies some kind of grey area whereas there really isn't much grey area in Run For Your Life
ugh why did I say anything i will stop talking now
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
I would vote rapey. As Je55e mentioned the original score is divided as an interaction between the Wolf and the Mouse so it is meant that the wolf is being agressive and ill intended towards the mouse. There's also the ambiguity in the 'what's in this drink?' line.
― Moka, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
as mentioned the original score was written by a husband wife team also so i mean
― i kid because i glove (darraghmac), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link
tumblrspeak/twitterspeak words that end in an 'ie' sound are generally horrible
see also: bestie, selfie
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
literalie
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
you guys would hate Australia
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
i see you've played knifey-spoony before
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 19:30 (ten years ago) link
smithy otm
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
now let me tell you about all the prezzies I got for Chrissy
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
The answer is noey.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
rape on the barbie
― how's life, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
Rapey holidey
― Moka, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:00 (ten years ago) link
Serious question? What would be a correct adjective to use instead of 'rapey'?
― Moka, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
Sexual harassmentey?
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link
what does it mean to act rapey? does it mean to do things that rapists do - eg raping? in which case why do you need the term rapey when you can use the term rapist?
― Mordy , Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link
Rapist is a noun
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:22 (ten years ago) link
I'm more invested in inventing a spurious word for holiday songs that aren't really holiday songs. Holidayey Song?
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:23 (ten years ago) link
Festive
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:24 (ten years ago) link
Gay
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link
fauxliday songs
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:31 (ten years ago) link
also rape-culturey in lieu of rapey
x-posts
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link
noëly
― jmm, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link