Macklemore, "Same Love"

And I'm saying "sorry that page does not exist. "

yah rev check yr link & repost

pitbull and macklemore aren't really comparable except as "massively popular rappers that critics dislike"

I actually know too many self-professed liberals who liked "Same Love."

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, May 19, 2014 5:22 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

i've argued on various platforms with white, liberal music critics who generally like rap music but have nonetheless taken the position that you don't have to like macklemore but he should be immune from criticism because at least his music stands for something "positive"

this is a strong faction of people

works for me, I think twitter is just having tech probs right now \o_O/

Ken Spliffey Jr. ‏@TuneZanotti_206

@DJNphared @PROMO206 @sherpaco @akrish @Wizdom80 true. but mack fans have a special "Reagan democrat" stench to them. it's really a lot

Yep. It's the intentionally fallacy wearing a Shylock nose.

Dude went the dance-pop route but he could be (and was) making really good Real Rap if he wanted to.

haha i will confess to having zero knowledge of pitbull before he became whatever the hell he is today. but like... my point was that i kind of like pitbull? the point of comparison with macklemore is that basically i just don't think they're forces for evil. forces for dumbness sure but i think eliding the two is a mistake in this case. (interesting that reagan has been brought up, i remember similar debates about him: dumb or evil? or both?) just my own POV - i recognise there are things to hate about macklemore that i don't have the right receptors for.

Not seeing the connection to "Reagan Democrats." Is it just being used as a term to mean people who say they are liberal but actually are staid and upholding the status quo? Because there's a lot more to the Reagan Democrat "phenomenon."

Unless we're saying Macklemore's fanbase is primarily working class whites who've recently migrated from urban cores.

If Katy Perry had done it, she would have at least said something about how Yentl inspired her so much as a child.

"If"?

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I'm a total idiot about politics, but i'm pretty sure the poster was referring to ppl who were progressive *for their time* but once the 80s rolled around they didn't want to budge no more

re: reagan democrats, it was a matter of "we've given you enough", which has been the political narrative ever since

"Let us have fun, for godsake"

Reagan Democrat = "Shit, Mabel, there's blacks moving into the neighborhood and the plant's closing."

Yeah, I understand those things about Reagan Democrats; I totally am familiar with the term. I'm just struggling to see the connection to Macklemore in this case.

wht ppl who think they are "down" but are in fact not all that "down" after all

wind up voting for lourde

To me it seems more linked to yuppies and high school/college kids with pseudo-hippie tendencies than working class people whose fortunes are falling and are openly resentful of minorities.

Which is not to say there aren't some unpleasant things re: race underlying the Macklemore phenomenon. Just not seeing the connection here.

But Reagan democrats weren't concerned with being "down;" that's the point I'm making. It's grafting a weird hipster narrative about coolness onto a phenomenon directly related to the decline of industry.

And the ever-present components of racial resentment that arose with that decline, naturally because this is America.

Again, there's a lot of gnarly things about race to be found in Macklemore's popularity, that have been discussed at length on this board,.

How about this: every Macklemore fan is Brian Griffin

lol truth

picturing Macklemore barking uncontrollably at Kendrick Lamar now

haha ok just the idea of picturing a "macklemore fan" has magically granted me the required receptors to understand the hate i think

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mackle morefan power rangers

I just wish this dude would Mackle a little less

lol.

This linked yet?

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/05/19/im-jewish-i-was-at-the-macklemore-show-and-heres-what-i-saw

I'm Jewish and most of the time these things don't bother me. But this was kinda bad. Phony apology made it worse. I'd give it an 8/10 on the Gibson scale. He's not going full Mel, but this is going to certainly hurt his future grammy prospects.

The only way it could have been worse is if he said his accountant gave him the idea.

I hoped that he would have first offered an apology to anyone in the audience, like myself, who was horrified, going on to explain that he could see how the costume was a poor choice. That yes, he didn't really consider the racial overtones because of course, as a white man in our culture, he doesn't have to. That his privilege got in the way of his awareness and that he was deeply sorry to the Jewish people and to his audience for what was clearly an oversight.

jfc

what's wrong w/ that mordy

look if a member of the tribe feels offended enough to need an apology from macklemore, let them ask for one. not cloth it in all this identity whiney privilege bullshit. most jews i've discussed this with think a) macklemore is an idiot and b) who cares? like when justin bieber made a faux paus at anne frank's house.

but what would happen to music internet if pointing out others' privilege goes away

this is far worse than Justin Beiber saying something dumb at Anne Frank's house. This is closer to performing in blackface. Saying it's nothing ignores literally centuries of ethnic stereotypes and persecution.

jewface in america was a) mostly practiced by jews and b) didn't put anyone in an oven. it might have something to do w/ centuries of persecution but not much.

Ovens? Dude what the fuck is wrong with you?

Congratulations, you just got 9 Gibsons

lol what you're ridiculous

this is a valid point. i'm sorry you thought i expressed it indelicately. centuries of persecution included inquisitions, pogroms, expulsions, enforced poverty -- the khmelnytsky uprising wasn't inspired by someone wearing a big nose and pretending to be a jew. when jewface was practiced in the US it was often by jews - who okay were distancing themselves from jewishness by mocking immigrant diction and dress - fanny brice, irving kaufman, etc. it's a little insensitive that macklemore dressed up like a jew and tbh i kinda want to believe him that it wasn't his intention. in any case, it is not in the continuum of atrocities + repression and it's disrespectful to pretend like this kid being offended is equally bad as any of these other things.

So are you saying that unless it's genocide Jews should just shut the fuck up and quit complaining and enjoy their privilege?

it's pretty obvious that's not what he's saying

as a jew, i give macklemore 7 or 8 dimwit points for the costume, and 9 or 10 dimwit points for deciding not to apologize. but i'm giving all my gibson points this month to donald sterling, whose "how come jews help other jews but blacks don't help other blacks?" comment a) was ridiculously offensive to african-americans and pretty much all other humans, and b) will potentially reinforce some people's opinions that jews are evil pigs who probably deserve all the jewface they get.

yes i am so much more offended by donald sterling and so is every jew i know

X post...He seems to be saying that Macklamore is not as bad as Hitler. But who said that he was?

I'm sure that many plantation owners were worse than Donald Sterling, too. That doesn't make what that idiot said ok.

wht ppl who think they are "down" but are in fact not all that "down" after all

― katsu kittens (contenderizer), Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:19 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

Correct term is YT ppl

Response to that article Ned linked:

Half of my family is Jewish. I'm not offended, although I am a bit alarmed at how thin-skinned you are that you would be "incredibly upset and offended" at a crappy thrown together thrift-shop costume! Did he sing anti-semetic songs? Did he start off his set with a "Heil Hitler"?

Fuck Macklemore fans forever, basically.

As a Jew, I find it kind of quaint Macklemore apropos of nothing(?) should go Jew-face. I'm not offended because a) I always expect the worst of just about everyone and b) I expect absolutely nothing from Macklemore, good or bad. And I certainly don't think the guy is smart enough to be nefarious, or dumb enough to be dangerous.

In other words, keep it up, Macklemore! I don't listen to you, but I'd kind of like to see how this all plays out.