why not THE SWEAT LODGE?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link
its the best & sadly there is no audio of it online
ppl call in and confess that they've been cheating on their sig other
or they call in and answer keith's topic of the evening, for ex: "ladies: is your man putting it down the way you need him to? and fellas is your lady putting it down the way you need her to?"
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
lol if not call me keith sweat and we can talk abt it girl
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
yeah i think this is key - esp when you consider that the person most credited for Illmatic's insta-canonical status is John Schecter. The shift feels way more generational than racial - it's not as if the Chronic didn't have a bunch of white people jumping on board who were also ignoring the vast majority of the genre.
― da croupier, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i dunno man i'm just looking at pazz n jop & av club fetishization of alt rappers in the early 00s that basically ignored anything vaguely 'commercial' or 'street'
obv this isn't an issue any more (as i was saying i agree with m@tt? or you guys forgot so you could pile on?) but no it wasn't just white ppl policing myopic 'indie' coverage of hip hop that thought dj shadow and dr octagon and (at one point) arrested development made the most important rap records EVAH
all i'm saying is it was understandable why things leaned so far back the other way ... arrested development were cool & good, so were PM Dawn, but they were definitely overhyped at one point
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
i know that we're so above that now that ilx YT's have longstanding support of VIC's "Get Silly" but let's not pretend that the 'hip-hop is entering its hair metal phase' jim derogatisms of hip-hop at the turn of the millennium were some sort of balanced, un-problematic wonderland of hip hop coverage
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link
hair metal is good
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
Entroducing is so good.
― how's life, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:02 (ten years ago) link
its also not rap
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
i also like dr. octagon
If its not rap is it hip hop?
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:04 (ten years ago) link
who cares
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link
i love dr octogon but dj shadow is like the most boringiest music ever created like someone thought to themselves how can i make the most boringiest bloodless music possible
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link
I'm not saying that writers (white or black) couldn't/shouldn't have celebrated arrested development, just that once YT's got behind it, it made it this kind of massive critical phenomenon beyond what the group could hope to deliver.
Like, plenty of Yts and non-yts love tribe but they never got quite the same level of insane PNJ dominant attention
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:07 (ten years ago) link
If you think that about DJ Shadow, DJ Vadim will likely put you into an instant coma
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link
given my time in coffee shops doing grad school work in my 20s i sometimes think endtroducing might be album i've heard the most in my life
― goole, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link
I still like DJ Shadow although I'm pickier about which tracks I'll put on ... "midnight in a perfect world" "high noon" and the joint that samples Paul Simon are all p chill
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:09 (ten years ago) link
someone told me dj shadow makes music these days that sounds like the prodigy and other english groups like that from the 90s lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:09 (ten years ago) link
i bet it's still better than his keak da sneak collabs
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao i have a clear memory of someone recommending dj vadim to me by saying "its rap except for with like good production" which shd win some sort of im not usually into rap but excellence award
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
or, more to the point, grammy awards attention and mtv attention. i'm not sure pnj attention matters at all IRL.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link
dj shadow dj krush dj vadim all these djs have this weird very purposeful rhythmic inertness that is supposed to read as thoughtful and peaceful but is really very ponderous and unchill
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link
I'm not gonna condemn DJ Krush given Cold Crush Cuts
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:21 (ten years ago) link
ya he is def the best of the three
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link
underrated 90s DJ: DJ Honda
but he made actual rap records
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTshj2xDgMY
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link
Common kinda shits that song up. Juju has my favorite verse. Him or Fat Joe
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:23 (ten years ago) link
he had this weird mostly empty store store on orchard that sold a portable turntable he designed and like a few tshirts
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link
i owned that 12" btw
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:18 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes this as well i was being lazy
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
KDAY is awesome, was so glad to tune into them on last trip to LA and hear "No Vaseline"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
followed by vintage Scarface and then Drop it Like Its Hot
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:40 (ten years ago) link
KDAY is amazing every city should be so lucky
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
yup, an oasis in a wasteland
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
One thing that's great about KDAY is they will play just about any track off of Chronic 2001, not just the singles
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
*sigh* i wish BBC Radio Humberside played "Fuck You" on the reg
― coign of wantage (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
I listen to KDAY every day
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
or at least when I drive I guess
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
Heard "Fuck You" more than once on KDAY
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/dT8/p6y/dT8p6yxTe.jpeg
― coign of wantage (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
fuck wit KDAY (and everybody's celebratin')
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
listening to 3 years, 5 mo., and 2 days in the life of arrested development....this ain't so bad actually
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
on the heels of all the (much less popular/praised) first wave of Native Tongues stuff I just found it really irritating and kind of pompous
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
granted I haven't listened to it in at least 15 years
well like i ain't throwing out my copies of 3 feet high and rising or done by the forces of nature or anything
i dunno...it's more dated now so it feels loveable like an artifact of a certain era
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
sometimes they hit on a real nice bluesy/downhome more live instrument focused version of the native sound
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link
that album is one of those things i've hated so long that i don't think i could stop now
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link
speaking of jungle brothers it never really registered to me how much Speech bit Baby Bam from Jungle Brothers whole flow
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
really?!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:32 (ten years ago) link
at the time it just seemed really unfair that they were huge and the Jungle Bros were stuff being these obscure also-rans
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
funny thread: arrested development: classic or dud?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/05/macklemore_s_offensive_costume_is_part_of_pop_s_long_history_of_appropriation.html
Carl Wilson weighs in (with asides re Katy Perry and others, plus tv shows)
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 24 May 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link