this is ridiculous
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 3 August 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
cannot believe this misogynist rapper asking for threesomes and buying women red bottoms, truly we have broken new ground here
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 3 August 2014 23:08 (nine years ago) link
but yeah "My Cabana" quoted, definitely see it there, shame too cuz I dig the whole atmosphere on that track
― nova, Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:21 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the 'ignorant' lyrics are the point tho
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 3 August 2014 23:03 (Yesterday) Permalink
ok but they're still pretty mean-spirited/flippant?
― nova, Monday, 4 August 2014 03:43 (nine years ago) link
ty's thing is kinda being a scumbag, even if he is frequently charming
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 August 2014 04:00 (nine years ago) link
i mean "or nah"... he wrote "loyal" ... he has a track record
the first beach house EP has IRL voicemails of him being a fucking dickhead to women
but i also think it's an arbitrary distinction to single him out. the opposing sides of this argument also have opposing opinions on how talented he is.
when i interviewed him asked him if women ever tell him that he comes off like an asshole on his songs and he gave me a "pshhhhh" answer like i asked him the stupidest question in the world
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 August 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link
he just ain't a beta bitch like that Aubrey Graham lame amirite
nah i'm kidding. I do find both of their lyrical approaches problematic though, just in different ways
― nova, Monday, 4 August 2014 04:11 (nine years ago) link
mostly I just don't think Drake has that much insight into things & it's mainly like ok dude, you're wallowing in your relationship troubles, we been there but i'm honestly not that interested & after a point it's just self-indulgent
― nova, Monday, 4 August 2014 04:13 (nine years ago) link
ty has no pretense really. he's openly the asshole bad boy that girls like. drake is also the asshole bad boy but he wraps it up in tenderness & introspection that i think he thinks is harder to see thru than it really is. you could argue that the latter is more manipulative and perhaps maybe worse.
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 August 2014 04:15 (nine years ago) link
I fuck mad bitches but I feel very conflicted about it
lol yeah though I see what you're saying
― nova, Monday, 4 August 2014 04:37 (nine years ago) link
control+ F spotify not found― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:45 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:45 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Who do you love:http://open.spotify.com/user/theshipment/playlist/6XvZR19oAdYtPX2dPPsxjn
― Strictly EZ Snappin' Nhex (Spottie), Monday, 4 August 2014 04:40 (nine years ago) link
_control+ F spotify not found― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:45 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_Who do you love:http://open.spotify.com/user/theshipment/playlist/6XvZR19oAdYtPX2dPPsxjn --Strictly EZ Snappin' Nhex (Spottie)
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:45 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_
Who do you love:http://open.spotify.com/user/theshipment/playlist/6XvZR19oAdYtPX2dPPsxjn --Strictly EZ Snappin' Nhex (Spottie)
or turn on the radio for 20 minutes
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 August 2014 04:42 (nine years ago) link
or nah
― Strictly EZ Snappin' Nhex (Spottie), Monday, 4 August 2014 04:58 (nine years ago) link
hee hee
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 4 August 2014 05:13 (nine years ago) link
In general I like Mustard more than the vocalists he works with, I don't want or need to hear 2 Chainz or Ty Dolla Sign on anything these days but I lap these up when he's working with people I actually give a shit about.
― Matt DC, Saturday, August 2, 2014 11:34 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah otm. i LOVE mustard beats and am so thankful for him speeding up the tempo but aside from yg, he works with a whole bunch of people i don't care about that much - kinda feel that the current mustardwave is a missed opportunity in terms of who i'd love to be getting on his beats. this list should be 100% amazing, i shouldn't have to be cherrypicking dj mustard radio hits when he's at his peak! thank christ for the yg album for giving me enough of an extended fix. i actually feel like i'd like to hear more mustard r&b productions, obv not anyone with a big voice but natasha mosley sounds awesome on the yg album ("459" is the secret best track on it!) and he saved tinashe (for now) from corny hemsworth mediocrity. at the risk of being very much in character, he's so obviously the producer CIARA has been waiting for.
anyway
1. 2 on2. left right3. up down4. vato
sorta sad that those are the only ones i 100% love. "who do you love" is aight but pretty mid-to-low table on the yg album. never really clicked with "paranoid", mostly because the lyrics just make me want to slap ty. "24 hours" beat is awesome but outstrips the vocalists embarrassingly. "no mediocre" is so frustrating, incredible beat and catchy hook but tip is so gross on it! "don't tell em" is uncharacteristically clumsy with the corny sample and v ill-fitting for jeremih (though i'd rather he does this than work with shlohmo ever again). "or nah" is so horrendously misogynist that i am happy calling anyone who reps for the og over the lil mo version a misogynist as well. i mean the vocals and message are so foregrounded that how can you even tune them out. fuck ty dolla $ign for that, seriously. similarly, i'm not hurrying to check out a song called "main chick" featuring chris brown.
what other examples of fake-mustard are there besides "loyal" and "fancy"? (it's sad that both are better than half this list.) (i refer to the female remixes of "loyal" obviously, and so should you)
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 August 2014 08:01 (nine years ago) link
Agree with almost everything here and above re: the grossness and mediocrity of said vocalists. Typical response from my female friends on hearing a Mustard-produced track - "wow, this guy's really charming."
― MikoMcha, Friday, 8 August 2014 09:20 (nine years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, August 8, 2014 8:01 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh and "LEMONADE" OBVIOUSLY HOW COULD I FORGET
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 August 2014 09:32 (nine years ago) link
a list including the fake-mustards would probably go
1. 2 on2. left right3. lemonade4. loyal (k. michelle version)5. fancy6. up down7. vato
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 August 2014 09:35 (nine years ago) link
also i guess we should anticipate the mustard album out next week here? vocalist roster is neither surprising nor particularly exciting, and where is "vato"????
1. Low Low Feat. Nipsey Hussle, TeeCee and RJ2. Ghetto Tales Feat. Jay 305 and TeeCee3. Throw Your Hood Up Feat. Dom Kennedy, Royce and RJ4. No Reason Feat. YG, Jeezy, Nipsey Hussle, and RJ5. Giuseppee Feat. 2 Chainz and Jeezy and Yo Gotti6. Face Down Feat. Lil Wayne, Big Sean, YG and Boosie Badazz7. Down On Me Feat. 2Chainz and Ty Dolla $ign8. Can’t Tell Me Shit Feat. IamSu! and AKAFrank9. Tinashe Checks In (Interlude)10. 4 Digits Feat. Fabolous and Eric Bellinger11. Ty Dolla $ign Checks In (Interlude)12. Deep Feat. Rick Ross, Wiz Khalifa, TeeFlii
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 August 2014 09:40 (nine years ago) link
i'm... skeptical about the existence of that album
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 August 2014 12:34 (nine years ago) link
what other examples of fake-mustard are there besides "loyal" and "fancy"? (it's sad that both are better than half this list.)
adrian marcel "2am"
― dyl, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
yes. also yo gotti - "get right" which was mentioned upthread cuz it might be better than any mustard beat
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link
O_o
http://rap.genius.com/Ty-dolla-sign-or-nah-lyrics#note-2638279
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
"get right" isn't really fake mustard since it's produced by P-Lo
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 8 August 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
ahahahaha never change, rap genie
― some dude, Friday, 8 August 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
re: "or nah" what i find bizarre and interesting is that nearly all the people that i've seen saying it's uniquely 'horrendously misogynist' compared to most other (male) pop music are men and most of the people i know who actually like the song are women. similarly all the people that i've heard/read pointing out that it's actually semi-refreshing to hear him, via the title phrase, actually explicitly asking for permission to do things to/with her (that dudes in songs routinely tell women they're gonna do to them anyway) are women.
― dyl, Friday, 8 August 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
lmao oh god rap genius is the worst site in existence
― dyl, Friday, 8 August 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, August 8, 2014 2:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
i know but it clearly rode the mustard wave what w/ jeezy & yg on it
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 August 2014 21:14 (nine years ago) link
also its called act right lol
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 8 August 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
"similarly all the people that i've heard/read pointing out that it's actually semi-refreshing to hear him, via the title phrase, actually explicitly asking for permission to do things to/with her (that dudes in songs routinely tell women they're gonna do to them anyway) are women.
― dyl, Friday, August 8, 2014 4:10 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"
this always strikes me as a stretch. it's not a horrendously misogynist outlier by any stretch, but generally speaking if I were to hear "so are we going to __________ or not" I would take it as pressuring at best and openly threatening at worst. like, in what possible scenario can you say "or not" and have the response not be "well fuck you bitch"?
― katherine, Saturday, 9 August 2014 00:35 (nine years ago) link
agreed. i hope i didn't come across like i was trying to absolve the song or him of misogyny that's frankly rather apparent to me, because the line does come across as rather threatening when i hear it. however i don't want to tell women who like it that what they hear in the song, if it differs from what i hear in it, is wrong, nor do i think it's far different from the sexism i am hearing from male-performed songs all over the radio dial recently. and i do find it interesting that it's mostly men identifying it as a categorically unacceptable Sexist Outlier. (maybe if more women heard it [urban radio probably caters less to them lately], that wouldn't be the case?)
― dyl, Saturday, 9 August 2014 00:54 (nine years ago) link
"a list including the fake-mustards would probably go
― lex pretend, Friday, 8 August 2014 09:35 (Yesterday) Permalink"
why
women like DJ Mustard tracks in general but i dunno how much i associate that with the lyrics
― nova, Saturday, 9 August 2014 05:11 (nine years ago) link
let's be real, the k. michelle/keyshia cole/da brat/mila j/lil mo version of "loyal" is necessary and better
i liked that my radio station actually mixed part of the k michelle version into chris brown's
― dyl, Saturday, 9 August 2014 14:10 (nine years ago) link
i'd definitely rather hear the remixes but this is pretty much a thread about hit songs and their beats so the distinction is pretty pointless to fret over
― some dude, Saturday, 9 August 2014 14:12 (nine years ago) link
does anyone know a good bmore/jersey club remix of "loyal"
anyway the east coast version is one of my fav songs of the year
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 10 August 2014 00:52 (nine years ago) link
wayne/french verses are both toilet water
― some dude, Sunday, 10 August 2014 01:18 (nine years ago) link
i actually like some of lyrics in wayne's verse... french's is kind of morally indefensible but he sounds very good on the beat imo. just fun to vibe to.
really it's just an incredibly good production
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 10 August 2014 01:20 (nine years ago) link
i had a few good months where i'd avoid "Loyal" studiously enough that even when it got stuck in my head it would quickly morph into Ray J's "Sexy Can I," a better song by a lesser slimeball
― some dude, Sunday, 10 August 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link
i'm in interested to see how trey songz/nicki "touchin lovin" does as a single. it's maybe the first obvious "loyal" rip off right down to the biggie interpolation but it's a pretty dope song
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 10 August 2014 01:23 (nine years ago) link
i dunno it seems like "Foreign" is getting the push now and that one is just being forgotten.
that Ma$e single was def the first obvious "Loyal" ripoff.
― some dude, Sunday, 10 August 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link
i forgot what that even sounds like but at least it was produced by nic nac
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 10 August 2014 01:38 (nine years ago) link
it's like, the same little drum fills and everything
― some dude, Sunday, 10 August 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link
Wayne is the only part of "Loyal" I like lol, I appreciate the "flamingos/trust these hoes" rhyme in particular
actually I like Too Short's verse on that version fine too
― nova, Monday, 11 August 2014 03:42 (nine years ago) link
i've never even heard his verse. which is funny he's on the song's official chart entry and Billboard made a big deal of "Loyal" being Too $hort's first top 10 hit when that version has so little to do with its success.
― some dude, Monday, 11 August 2014 11:34 (nine years ago) link
10 Summers is excellent. Damn.
― longneck, Monday, 11 August 2014 11:46 (nine years ago) link
it is very good! tho am beginning to think mustard's collab policy is specifically people who won't outshine his beats
― lex pretend, Monday, 11 August 2014 13:04 (nine years ago) link
otm
― Evan R, Monday, 11 August 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
he's given beats to Nicki and Kendrick for their albums, curious to hear how those combinations turn out
― some dude, Monday, 11 August 2014 14:01 (nine years ago) link
Wayne sounds good on it though!
― longneck, Monday, 11 August 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
the version of "loyal" w/ too short's verse is the only one getting airplay around here so i would say his inclusion on billboard's charts and such is warranted
― dyl, Monday, 11 August 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
I've only heard the Too Short version.
― The Reverend, Monday, 11 August 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link