In Which Doctor Casino Listens to Classic Rock Classics for the First Time

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y'know, i grew up hearing far more Eric Clapton than I care to remember but i really barely know a lot of his stuff that ended up placing in the middle section of the poll's top 500 -- "Badge" and "Can't Find My Way Home" don't ring a bell at all and i mostly know "Bell Bottom Blues" from the 24 Nights live album my mom used to play incessantly.

some dude, Friday, 8 August 2014 00:48 (nine years ago) link

don't think i know that phil collins/genesis song, but that would do it if phil's version had any hit-like qualities

Phil's version is hit-like in all but having been a hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zazN1zHRbAc

Hideous Lump, Friday, 8 August 2014 02:02 (nine years ago) link

I love the syncopation on the Collins version.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 August 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link

Before I finally turn to Kiss (sorry, y'all, been writing about Brutalist telephone architecture for the last few days and trying to curb my ILXing), I'm taking a quick listen to the Gregg Allman "Midnight Rider" - wow, really different sound here. A little less woolly, almost vaguely funky, but generally kinda smoother and fuller. I don't think it lands the chorus quite as well but the groove is fine. The (kinda Doors-y) organ and the string section just don't lend itself to the idea that we're really getting a snapshot from the road...holy cow, a horn chart too? We're in Madman Across the Water territory here - but I like Elton's weird, layered studio take on Americana just fine so I should take it from Gregg here too. I can see why the band version has become the staple even if this charted better at the time; it doesn't really solve any of the problems of the other one, and it adds a lot of stuff that probably started to feel a little dated or just superfluous. Don't mind it, but the other one can comfortably lead in and out of anything in your early 70s rock playlist. Also the way this drags out at the end is almost sillier than the sudden knob-twist from the Brothers.

Couldn't handle the audio on the Waylon Jennings live clip, but listening to the studio version it's preeeeeetty cool! One for that trippy 70s country-pop thread. Feels a little too 'fast' for the amount of detail in the mix, it's bumpin' but I can imagine it really drawing you into the haze with a more sluggish delivery. Man, nobody can find an ending to this song - but I like his approach of just stopping, even if it again weakens the idea of an endless roaming ride.

As for R. Mantlebakken, <3. Making me want to crack back open my perpetually unfinished Girl Talk ripoff project of many years and do an all-classic-rock cut or two. The "I'm gettin' down on the weekends" part in particular rocks.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 August 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link

Not sure if this is what you're talking about, but I'd love to hear more, maybe in a different thread.

http://i.imgur.com/V6RaaCc.png

pplains, Sunday, 10 August 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link

That kinda thing, yeah! There's a lot of them. For the paper, ground zero is this puppy:

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...but I'm moving in and out of the building, covering some other territory. Kind of a mess right now, gonna need a seeeeerious edit once I finish this draft. Ugh.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 August 2014 20:27 (nine years ago) link

man, nuflickr basically blows at every level

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 August 2014 20:27 (nine years ago) link

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Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 August 2014 20:28 (nine years ago) link

i give up

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 August 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8273/8708227477_143f330ee3.jpg

pplains, Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:13 (nine years ago) link

lol thank you. I really cannot figure out how to extract a simple, working hotlink to a fixed-size jpeg from the new Flickr system. You'd think this would be kind of a popular feature.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link

(probably would help if i hadn't forgotten that ILX uses bbcode but uh, still)

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link

Shout It Out Loud: Wow, this is perky, jaunty even! Okay, there's the crunchy guitar I expected. This is bumpin along, good use of the backing vocals. Like the fullness of sound on "what you've been TOLD."

The chorus sounds vaguely familiar but might just be kinda what rock songs sound like. Is there a piano in there? Love that. Somehow, from KISS I accept a certain generic-ness of theme, it's appropriate that they're just going on about getting the party started and so on. I mean this has a pretty clear purpose, an arena band needs something to ....ahahha, I like the "You got to have a par-ty!" guy growling in there. Generally love all the vocal interjections in this, I can't tell whether we're dealing with multiple singers or what but it totally feels like each member of the band is getting a turn, they can't hold back their enthusiasm. Very "Are you ready, Steve? Andy?" kinda thing, or the climax of "Surrender" (we're all all right!). This isn't as good as those songs but it fits the role very well, this isn't exactly the curtain-raiser start of the arena show, it's more something in the middle of the set, when everybody's already really fired up, just keeps the fire roaring.

Second listen, on headphones - sounds a little "cleaner" this way, which isn't really a benefit, but once everything is going it feels appropriately messy/live. Yeah. I don't really have any sophisticated read on this one: totally solid, unpretentious stuff, and refreshingly short. Love that piano, a real secret weapon I think even if it seems totally out of context for this band of freaks on stage with flames shooting out behind them. Love the change-ups, the solo punches its way into the scene without fanfare or preamble, like the band just can't contain themselves. I think I like this more than "Rock and Roll All Nite" even.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link

is there a piano in there? there's most definitely a piano on the next song on destroyer, the great "beth."

i love "shout it out loud" as a let's-just-do-pretty-much-the-same-thing-again followup to "rock and roll all nite." not as huge and rousing a chorus, but equally punchy and pleasing and straight to the point. paul and gene taking turns on the lead vocal. and yeah the full-band backing vocals are awesome.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 14 August 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link

the run on Destroyer from Shout it Out Loud to Do You Love Me? is great.

Darin, Thursday, 14 August 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link

moving from one side of new york to a very, very different side of new york while slowing down the tempo just a hair. #1 in ilm's steely dan artist poll. #145 in ilm's classic rock countdown.

SONG #27: Steely Dan "Deacon Blues"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4d8XrDyArE

fact checking cuz, Friday, 15 August 2014 14:03 (nine years ago) link

have debated a "deacon blue" tattoo for a while now

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Friday, 15 August 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link

Deacon Blue: Smooth opening, sounds like other Steely Dan I know (particularly "Peg" without the zippier game-show lead), good 70s TV scene-setting music. We're zooming in on the marina where the crime has taken place, and the detective is getting out of his car. Already lost track of the lyrics but it sounds like a horror or superhero story about an "expanding man" who's turning to silly putty or something. People don't believe him - that'd be the mayor and the chief of police, I imagine. Cool. Wait. "Learn to work the saxophone?" Maybe his expanding lips, though a curse, give him an edge with reed instruments. And now he takes up his showbiz name, Deacon Blue. I can work with this. Laid-back loungey 70s tunes about guys taking up musical careers - One-Trick Pony rock. Kinda amazed there could be eight minutes of this but it's fine background.

Starting to doubt my Plastic Man story, guy is sounding a little too successful. Not sure how I feel about him drinking Scotch whiskey all night behind the wheel; Steely Dan seem arch enough that I guess this could be building up to a dark climax where he kills a bunch of kids, and they reveal how your musical icons are actually quiet, grainy-film-stock TV-drama monsters. This long chill-out sax break doesn't seem to be quite taking us in that direction. I dunno, this is all very pleasant, can't imagine thinking of it as my favorite song or anything. Not much of a hook, just nice musicianship.

Okay, the Night of the Expanding Man. Definitely horror movie then. One of those grand tragic unveilings where this blob guy is like, they'll see me and they'll love me for my music! and then everybody is shocked and retching at this terrifying sight. Or maybe, I guess, he's just a sad sack: "call me Deacon Blue," he said ironically, knowing nobody will ever call him anything; quietly self-destructive alcoholic saxophonists are a dime a dozen these days... but I'll play for you anyway, what difference does it make? In all seriousness: this is basically "Piano Man," right? But with a saxophone and long instrumental breaks meant to demonstrate his skill? Pleasant, kinda borderline elevator music, don't regret having heard it, don't have any particular desire to play it again.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link

borderline elevator music,

lol this soft jazz instrumental version of deacon blues (with a flute playing the vocal melody) came on in the grocery store i was in yesterday

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link

Heads up to fcc: I recently heard "Let My Love Open the Door," thanks to the closing montage/credits of Look Who's Talking. It's chipper and lovely!

General Casino listening update: today I acquired The James Gang's Rides Again, based on all the love on ILX, but specifically on the logic of Well, if VegemiteGrrl likes them so much... The dude at the store called it out by name in my stack and said "Hey, you've got good taste!"

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 00:45 (nine years ago) link

There was a Creem Magazine review that said something like "Let My Love Open the Door" playing from behind a closed bathroom door sounded exactly like a McDonald's commercial. Made my nine-year-old self convulse with laughter though I guess it wasn't really all that funny.

pplains, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 00:53 (nine years ago) link

Fun fact: LMLOTD matched the Who's biggest singles chart success in the US (#9 in Billboard, same as "I Can See For Miles" 13 years earlier).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 00:57 (nine years ago) link

i was surprised when "deacon blue" won the steely dan poll. i've always liked the song, but it never seemed like the standout track from aja to me, never mind from the whole steely dan catalog. i would like it more if it was in fact about an "expanding man" silly putty dude whose superpower gave him a preternatural ability on reed instruments. best alternate reading of a pop song i've read in a long while.

this is basically "Piano Man," right?

more like a spinoff from "piano man," starring one of the characters from one random line in one random verse in "piano man." someone should record a full album of "piano man" spinoffs along these lines. maybe rufus wainwright.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link

to be clear, it won the poll because it appeared on the most ballots.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 02:27 (nine years ago) link

it also rules

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 02:38 (nine years ago) link

ironic that a song about being a loser should come in first place

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:40 (nine years ago) link

They call Alabama the Crimson Tide
Call me "My Old School."

pplains, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 13:24 (nine years ago) link

this is basically "Piano Man," right?

You're really tryin' to hurt us, aren't you?

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link

Would be cool if he yelled "ALL RIGHT RICO!" before each sax break, not sure if that guy really qualifies as an "expanding man" though

http://www.bignoisenow.com/images/artistphotos2012/richiecannata4_bnpic.jpg

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link

Oh no, oh no, oh no oh no no no no

http://i.imgur.com/o3VrRWU.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link

it's deacon blues not deacon blue

example (crüt), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108959/2465028-daddylonglegs14.jpg

btw pretty sure my reading of this song is heavily influenced by this guy: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/daddylonglegskole.htm

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link

I could likely write a really long and boring critical review of why this really long and boring song is so fucking awesome, but I'll spare you all. It's an erection of impotence. A viper who crawls. Some whisky drunk rambler aiming for the horizon, hoping he arrives home at last.

Plus, it ensures that Steely Dan gets played at every homecoming in Tuscaloosa. Who would've saw that coming after Katy Lied?

pplains, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link

Would be cool if he yelled "ALL RIGHT RICO!" before each sax break

tbf, would be cool if someone yelled ALL RIGHT RICO before every sax break in all songs ever.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link

in honor of your acquisition of your first james gang album:

SONG #28: THE JAMES GANG "WALK AWAY"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICmD8P0x8_M

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link

God "Walk Away" rules so much...so glad to discover James Gang from the classic rock poll thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_4iQDYDVNo

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link

^^^much prefer that version to the LP version

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link

Nice little song Pete Townshend wrote about a barbecue with the James Gang on tour:
http://youtu.be/ZUASUTR8Nv0

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link

Aw that song is so great.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 21:41 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, it's so perfect. He only ever played it live once, on the Who's Cleveland stop on their 1996 tour. Pete and Joe had a mutual admiration society going on for a while: Joe gave Pete the Gretsch guitar and Fender amp that Pete subsequently used on Who's Next and everything thereafter, and Pete gave Joe the ARP synth Joe would use on "Life's Been Good."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 21:52 (nine years ago) link

Great Townshend quotes in here: If there's a better rock song than Joe Walsh's "Life's Been Good," I don't know what it is

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link

Didn't Walsh also give Page the guitar that you can see in the Albert Hall show and which he used throughout LZ?

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLSz5vD9Dho

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link

http://iconicaxes.blogspot.com/2012/12/jimmy-pages-number-one-gibson-les-paul.html

Page bought this guitar from Joe Walsh of the James Gang, and later of the Eagles, in April of 1969 while he in San Francisco on a tour of America. Jimmy recalled the transaction in 2004, "Joe brought it for me when we played the Fillmore. He insisted I buy it, and he was right." In the May 2012 issue of Guitar World just released, the magazine did an interview with Walsh where he told the story of the transaction: "Jimmy was still playing the Telecasters that he played in the Yardbirds. He was looking for a Les Paul and asked if I knew of any, 'cause he couldn't find one that he liked. And I have two. So I kept the one I liked the most and I flew...with the other one. I laid it on him and said, 'Try this out.' He really liked it. So I gave him a really good deal, about 1,200 bucks. I had to hand-carry it; I flew there and everything. So whatever my expenses were, that's what I charged him...But again, I just thought he should have a Les Paul for godsakes!"

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link

thanks, Elvis!

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link

Wonder if Walsh would be considered cooler these days if he'd never joined the Eagles

Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:05 (nine years ago) link

DON: Well, yeah

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:11 (nine years ago) link

I suppose he'd also be a lot less wealthy tho

Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:13 (nine years ago) link

Walk Away is so, so alltime

The Velvet Fog called me a motherfucker (Sandy), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link

also: I can remember being with my friend Che when we heard on the radio that Joe Walsh was joining the Eagles and we both just blurted out OH NO JOE WHY

The Velvet Fog called me a motherfucker (Sandy), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link


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