*drew a a binary between
― StillAdvance, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 09:53 (nine years ago) link
tbh most critics i know are wild badu fans but that could be the circles i run in
― A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 09:58 (nine years ago) link
since the first amerykah album, sure, but when she made mamas gun, or baduizm? i only remember her getting raves from R&B/rap critics
― StillAdvance, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:04 (nine years ago) link
i think in the uk, most rock/pop critics had bad desree flashbacks (fwiw, i did not mind desree!)
Definitely Mama's Gun and Worldwide Underground
― A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:10 (nine years ago) link
Lex have you really always been into neo soul like that? I don't remember you posting about it all that often
i wasn't on ilm in the late 90s! but actually, that was when i was still young enough to be influenced by rock critics, who all told me neo-soul was boring, so i actually didn't check out a lot of the key albums til much later.
yeah this is otm, new amerykah - being all Political and Weird and all those bullshit reasons for credibility so beloved by critics - changed her standing among UK critics a lot. (i don't mean all critics, just most mainstream ones.)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:35 (nine years ago) link
presented without comment http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/apr/01/erykah-badu-new-amerykah-part-two
yeah even I think the straight soul stuff on new amerykah 2 is awesome. dunno then how petridis is even capable of forming such opinions
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:38 (nine years ago) link
anyone else in the 2 > 1 camp btw? it's close but
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:39 (nine years ago) link
they're different flavours, i can't really decide which is best. they're both best.
― You've been yelped (stevie), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:42 (nine years ago) link
not read that review, but vol 2 was her doing what she can do in her sleep, just not as well as she has done previously IMO :|
― StillAdvance, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:50 (nine years ago) link
Also, I almost picked up an Anita Baker album at a charity shop the other day but didn't. Am regretting it now. Did I fuck up? I love Sweet Love.
― A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie),
You fucked up but you can still repent. Buy it.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:57 (nine years ago) link
Thank Alfred - repent I shall!
― You've been yelped (stevie), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 11:39 (nine years ago) link
Love Eryka, love Corinne, love Anita, love Goapele, Van Hunt, Dionne Farris, and many of their other "lame" contemporaries. Anyone who's carrying the torch of '70s r&b/soul/funk with competence and style is okay by me.
I think much of this issue boils down to fear of admitting appreciation of an artist one might hear in Starbucks. And bigotry, obvs.
― Certified Genious (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 11:39 (nine years ago) link
I think I remember Badu getting decent coverage in MOJO late 90s, substantial live reviews etc
How it is possible to come to the conclusion that Anita Baker is "ridiculous", whatever you think of the music? JFC
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:38 (nine years ago) link
i feel like the schism we're talking about still exists -- a lot of great ballad-driven 'upscale' R&B coming out these days (Marsha Ambrosius, Toni Braxton & Babyface, etc.) but a lot of critics and music people only care about the hip hop-ish stuff like Ty Dolla $ign etc
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:43 (nine years ago) link
gets no better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjn8QZmyPlk
― piscesx, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:59 (nine years ago) link
Condescending to young black female singers is the easiest thing in the world, and because their forbears aren't mythologized like Nirvana or the Clash, white kids don't grow up appreciating them.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:07 (nine years ago) link
This one did, fwiw.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:17 (nine years ago) link
it's not just critics, though; when I was a teen in the late 80s/early 90s Anita Baker songs, Sade, "Piano in the Dark", and so on, were mainstays on top 40 radio. a few years later, "On & On", "Killing Me Softly", and so on. nowadays if I want to hear e.g. "Hurt You" I can't hear it on pop radio. I know there are a zillion threads about this but as a non-critic I want to hear this music like I used to, without delving into specific genre radio etc.
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:19 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, it's a little sad that I've had to be plugged into ILM to discover artists like Teedra Moses who could've easily made their mark on the charts twenty years ago.
― Certified Genious (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:32 (nine years ago) link
I can't resist quoting from that Petredis review:
"Her attention has shifted from barricades to boudoir."
And comparing neo-soul to Ocean Colour Scene, Cast, and other nobodies that constituted the "second wave" of Britpop.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:39 (nine years ago) link
this inspired me to listen to new amerykah pt 2 which i'd kinda forgotten to check out...anyway....check out her "related artist" tab on Spotify....one of these things is not like the other
http://s7.postimg.org/halp41icr/baduspotify.jpg
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
Tho I think the first Nu AmErykah is the better album, I think I'm listening to pt. 2 way more often than pt. 1 these days truth be told.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 October 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
DJP, 100% not surprised that it was chaki who said it! posted because it's always weird to go back to old ilx shit and see how often sentiments like that go unchecked, or little-checked
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
there's difft levels of 'indefensible shit we said in days bygone' but I still cannot entirely credit chaki with that, my god
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
xp: there were like 5 ppl upthread, including myself, who were all "shut up, chaki"?
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
i know, it just seems like now it would be a huge pile on!
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
also possibly a separate clusterfuck thread!
i feel like also the numbers were smaller then, so a few posts did actually denote a pile-on
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
the tenor of the discussion here has certainly changed over the past ten years ye
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
i remember just a few years ago, when i was image-bombing the "would smash" threads, a moderator went to my personal facebook and used a picture of me to replace the pictures i had posted, making it hilariously look like people were being grossed out by my face and body! i feel like that might not happen in this current atmosphere, and i am really thankful for that, too. :)
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
yea ws threads in general seem frowned upon these days, right? maybe not the vintage one, which seemed like it had a friendlier spirit anyways
― marcos, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
idk. it is embarrassing to think about now.
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
there are still a lot of gross threads like that getting bumped often enougheg fitness chicks
n-e-way love erykah & jill scott, always have
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
"We wanted a video that spoke to Badu's eclecticism. Those album covers represent all the influences that she embodies."[6] Albums covers that were recreated in the video are those of:[5]
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan (1975) by RufusBlue (2006) by Diana RossMaggot Brain (1971) by FunkadelicPaid in Full (1987) by Eric B. & RakimHoney (1975) by Ohio PlayersPerfect Angel (1975) by Minnie RipertonChameleon (1976) by Labelle3 Feet High and Rising (1989) by De La SoulLet It Be (1970) by The BeatlesIllmatic (1994) by NasPhysical (1981) by Olivia Newton-JohnNightclubbing (1981) by Grace JonesHead to the Sky (1973) by Earth, Wind & Fire
i really love that Physical is one of the records.
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
haha yes!
― You've been yelped (stevie), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link
they are all great records tbf
theres a good moment in chappelles block party movie where iirc erykah does a kind of eye roll while jill scott is on stage...
― StillAdvance, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
erykah and jill scott forming like volition during that heavy psych version of You Got Me is perhaps my favourite music movie moment of all time.
― You've been yelped (stevie), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link
i remember some posters getting mocked for objecting to the WS threads at the time, just saying
on topic, these posts are otm
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― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, October 7, 2014 1:07 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and fyi that toni braxton & babyface album some dude mentions is one of the albums of the year, just wonderful stuff
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
I should check that out. For the longest time, I dismissed Babyface because I don't really care for him as a performer until I realized (somewhat recently) that he'd had a hand in the bulk of the '80s/'90s R&B that I loved.
― Certified Genious (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
I remembered that as an approving eyeroll. Like a "can you believe she's this good" eyeroll.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 October 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
totally!
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
I don't disagree with the former examples but the latter is your personal axe grinding, If he's getting critical attention it's basically from ilx ppl or a reflection of his pretty significant mainstream pop success. I mean he wrote one of the year's biggest songs, came up with the biggest producer in hip hop, and collaborates with a huge cross section of artists. Are you really surprised he's gotten more attention than artists without top 40 singles? And the notion that he gets blanket critical respect is pretty distorted too, fader cover or no it's not like his tapes have gotten blanket praise from critics, most of whom haven't been afraid to mention misogyny or criticize his reliance on guest artists
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link
A better example of popular r&b with critical acclaim is Beyoncé or frank ocean
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
(Never mind that Ty is a producer/songwriter/singer, which gives him a level of auteur status none of those artists have but I don't even think that's translated to much crit love regardless)
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
I see where D-40 has hung his hat now that Gucci is in jail
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
A lot of what's happening itt is, I think, insurgent critical perspectives have become institutional ones in a way they hadn't been. We now live in an era where Aaliyah is on the cover of wax poetics... I remember saying I liked Aaliyah in college and having r&b heads tell me I was crazy.
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, October 7, 2014 1:32 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
There are like 40 different artists this fka twigs fanboard has tried to say I was obsessed w over the past few years it is weird
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
How many bat for lashes stans tried to clown me for saying Gucci was an important artist that haven't pulled out "Daniel" in four years
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link