Yeah, it was weird. Mark Kozelek isn't sliding into irelevance, he is more popular than ever. And actually, 'white guys who were big in the nineties' is pretty much the new black in the industry atm. None of those are particularly good things, imo, but it is what it is.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
Right, and he didn't choose John Mellencamp because he's an old dude trying to stay relevant to the younger crowd. He chose Mellencamp because he is trying to punch up. He thinks he is punching up at TWOD as well, and he is in some ways. Still, the pitchfork essay was worthwhile given the praise and exposure given to his choice of hate filled language. It's just weird that the essay also contains this incorrect and ageist analysis of kozelek's motivation for his word choice.
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 23:38 (nine years ago) link
he covered Ted Nugent recently. He is not gunning for the hearts of youngsters.
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
it's all over now, baby blue
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link
It's absurd to me that this incident has received such extended analysis. That said, Drew kinda nails it.
― doug watson, Thursday, 9 October 2014 00:16 (nine years ago) link
Oh, and Robert, I'm generally with you on your rankings. Rock and Roll Singer should be next on your search list. Also the Hultsfred 1997 live versions of Old Ramon tracks are far superior to the studio versions.
― doug watson, Thursday, 9 October 2014 00:18 (nine years ago) link
stone temple pilots, they're elegant bachelors
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 9 October 2014 00:20 (nine years ago) link
Thanks Doug.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 October 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link
old ramon was a huge disappointment when it finally came out. we sat around and waited to hear that for years. it's less irritating now but at the time, eh.
― akm, Thursday, 9 October 2014 04:06 (nine years ago) link
Is that live bootleg big among fans? There is one song in particular I'd love to hear but can't remember the title.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 October 2014 11:24 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rhjAF9oQyc
― doug watson, Thursday, 9 October 2014 13:27 (nine years ago) link
Sorry that the clip doesn't embed.
Listening to it now, I'm baffled by how P4k could get so excited about Benji. It's like stanning for Lou Reed's Take No Prisoners at the expense of the entire back-catalog of the Velvet Underground.
― doug watson, Thursday, 9 October 2014 13:31 (nine years ago) link
Take No Prisoners rules!
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 October 2014 13:45 (nine years ago) link
i love old ramon but then i've never actually heard that bootleg
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 October 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link
guitar tone on old ramon is the most gorgeous thing
kinda kozelek agnostic, but i love most of old ramon.
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 October 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link
the best thing on Old Ramon is indeed Phil Carney's guitar.
― akm, Thursday, 9 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
channeling Steve Hackett
I hadn't yet picked up on the Hackett comparison, must now relisten
― doug watson, Thursday, 9 October 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link
some bullshit about this in pitchfork: " "Suck my cock" is a command heard most often in two places: heterosexual porn, and schoolyard taunts between presumably straight boys" such a joyless reading i mean lots of people say suck my cock in contexts that are much more fun. i bet there are plenty of dyke power tops who have used it and meant it as an example, obviously there are more. if you presume everything takes place within the confines of straight white male sociality then of course everything can be read as the violent product of this culture but i mean who has the time
― plax (ico), Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
srsly who could think a mark kozelek song takes place within the confines of straight white male sociality
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
dude totally could be imitating dyke power tops
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
i just got a promo of mark's new solo album, and he has really gone off the deep end this time...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1911787_10153393520727137_6536637952645129286_n.jpg?oh=7261f1826b19307d3151bd9c82f7a016&oe=54CA9702&__gda__=1425446482_e3ea6b9354ec16fd27a885e8961c0785
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link
Did someone say power hops? Because I could sure go for a cool, refreshing 9% abv IPA.
― how's life, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
War on Drugs, suck my hops
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
lol
I know tomorrowYou will be somewhere in LondonLiving with someoneyou want some kind of trumpeter to play twoand that's just what i'm gonna give you*solo*
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
Looked around for the Old Ramon song I loved and it's "Void". Fucking great song.
I haven't read the insults, listened to the song or read the articles, but all the controversy has put me in the most Kozelek hungry I've been in years.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link
"Kozelek. Now available with aspartame."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
if you listen to the end of void, the intertwined lead guitars (which is carney overdubbed) absolutely sounds like Hackett circa Nursery Cryme.
― akm, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
I guess I'm an outlier but my favorite Kozelek period is Songs From a Blue Guitar/Old Ramon/If You Want Blood/Ghosts of the Great Highway.
― campreverb, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:22 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Amazing
― Evan, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
Kool Kat Song
― Evan, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:13 (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah but you find what you want in a culture. a hermeneutics of intent is a pretty pointless way of reading anything but hey i guess you could ring up david lynch and ask him what the log lady means.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
stop trying to lie to us like her log didn't see something that night
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 October 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
Is Retrospective worth getting for the demos and live versions?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 October 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
No.
― campreverb, Thursday, 9 October 2014 17:14 (nine years ago) link
Yes.
― Evan, Thursday, 9 October 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
it's ok. you can probably find it incredibly cheap.
― akm, Thursday, 9 October 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
Mission Accomplished.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 9 October 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link
plax otm
― fuhgeddaboudit! (missingNO), Thursday, 9 October 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link
constant
― local eire man (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 October 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
damn yall some limber motherfuckers with the gymnastics in this thread
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:27 (nine years ago) link
stop objectifying us
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
everybody's moved on to the Grimes/Ariel Pink beef now anyway
― Number None, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
can't wait to see what next week has in store!
speaking of dried beef
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
BEEF CROSSOVER http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/98711973564/people-who-dont-like-the-smashing-pumpkins-can
― jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
survivorman once ate some beef that had crossed over
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/57253-mark-kozelek-adam-granofsky-blues/
oops he did it again
― and also pointsman, octopi don't bark (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link