TS: Billy Corgan vs. Stephen Malkmus

Voted Corgan. Adolescent love for Siamese Dream clinched it.

Never heard about this threat to a trans woman, though.

Malkmus over Corgan by a hair or two,

http://media1.giphy.com/media/10dJBypgfsmxfG/200.gif

lol

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/paws_chicago_2014-1.jpg

what

February 17, 2004 was a momentous day for Smashing Pumpkins fans. For the first time in the four years since the original band’s last show, frontman and songwriter Billy Corgan broke the silence surrounding the band’s breakup in a stream-of-consciousness styled blog post. A post that began with personal news:

You know that Beatles song ‘I’m so tired, I haven’t slept a wink….’? I’m having one of those weeks…I just got 2 new kittens, brothers and sisters, named miss sammi and mister thom cat…they are the best of friends, which is wonderful, but being young, they are into everything, including some things I didn’t know you could get into…mister thom also seems to want to wake me up at 5am to say hello…

http://www.pawschicago.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/corgan-cats-610x3791-282x175.png

Ok, s.d. nice find.

it was def on one of the other Pumpkins threads when it happened a few months ago. but never a bad excuse to bring it up again.

indie ege bamyasi turned out to be way cooler/better than modular siddartha. otoh, kittens.

http://blog.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/wp-content/stephen-malkmus-mit-katze.jpg

"You know that Beatles song 'Pool of sorrow, waves of joy....'? I'm having one of those weeks..."

ugh barf

Corgan's highs are higher but his lows are way lower. Understandable since Corgan 'speaks from his heart' while Malkmus' work seems to be centered around the mediocre mindset that if you don't try, you don't fail. Not saying Pavement are a mediocre band but imho Malkmus' indifference is real while Corgan's is just a defense mechanism. I'm sure Corgan has lost more sleep over a bad review than Malkmus.

So, I guess I like Malkmus better as a person and I can actually picture him as a friend that I could see frequently and talk stupid shit while drinking but music-wise I think Corgan has the better songs. I'm also sure he would be insufferable as a drinking partner.

Which actually doesn't really incline my vote anywhere. What are we voting here for, precisely?

I prefer corgan's wide dynamic range. 5 awesome albums I still spin.

i like all the pavement albums and think the jicks have about two great albums in them if you put all their best songs together (and one of those albums is pig lib).

i haven't listened to a pumpkins-related lp in a long time but they had a couple good singles.

oh yeah, and the silver jews stuff malk plays on is excellent, which is another point in malk's favor.

You guys are kinda weird

pig lib / american water > smashing pumpkins/zwan

^ higher highs

lots of people on this thread are higher high

i relate to the violence, bitterness, and hatred in corgan's music. as well as the love and all

the "Malkmus isn't trying" canard is so received-wisdom. what is he not trying to do, or trying not to do? which bands are unlazily doing the thing that he's doing lazily? there's a sprawl to what he does but the idea that this reflects "not trying" is very "I heard somebody say 'slacker' about this music once." lyrically his stuff is so much more fine-tuned than Corgan, it's a pretty hard-won ease imo

malkmus isn't a bad lyricist, but his songs/his 'message' is so opaque to only appeal to a pretty slim set of people. corgan's universal and easily translated tropes like "believe in me as i believe in you," "i'm in love with you, so in love" "love is suicide" "i lie just to be real," "today is the greatest day" connect with millions more people and have an actual philanthropic effect. think about it this way- how many smashing pumpkins songs have saved people from suicide, from grief, etc?

we all have a little Corgan in us and thats hard to come to terms with for a lot of people

i take the hardline position that every pavement and every silver jews album is better than every smashing pumpkins album. siamese dream might be better than a couple jicks albums tho so i see you corgan backers

'Hey, do you have a little Corgan in you?'

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/dc9/billycorgan.jpg

'Would you like some?'

don't have a problem with the hyperemotional platonic corgan, strongly object to the shitty song writing shitty voice having shitty person being actual corgan

GIS'ing doesnt deliver, they've never actually been in the same room together?

Makes u think.

we all have a little Corgan in us and thats hard to come to terms with for a lot of people

― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), W

the killer in me is the killer in you eh

corgan's universal and easily translated tropes like "believe in me as i believe in you," "i'm in love with you, so in love" "love is suicide" "i lie just to be real," "today is the greatest day" connect with millions more people and have an actual philanthropic effect.

Either you are trolling or you also believe the Dave Matthews Band is better than both of these jokers.

think about it this way- how many smashing pumpkins songs have saved people from suicide, from grief, etc?

I'd bet Smashing Pumpkins has caused a lot more grief than Pavement. Won't even go down the suicide route except to say I eye my wrists whenever "Disarm" comes on the radio.

lol yeah this is dangerous rabbit hole stuff tbf

'the world is a vampire'

just one of the many sins washed away by 'cherub rock', 'drown', etc.

'Graaaaaaave architecture'? stfu get Berman in here for a rewrite

malkmus's lou reedy vocals appeal to me more than corgan's high pitched screech. malkmus's guitar style and tone appeal to me more than corgan's fussy feedback riffs. malkmus's melodies hit me harder than corgan's. malkmus's lyrical abstractions, wordplay, and jokes appeal to me more than corgan's complaints. corgan's everybro bio's a little more easy to relate to though -- not privileged, no college _versus_ university of virginia, no student loans?

Never heard about this threat to a trans woman, though.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just so I'm not leaving floating allegations, that livejournal passage is quoted near the bottom of this:
http://www.queerty.com/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-calls-transwoman-a-heshe-and-an-ugly-pig-20110901p
I think Corgan took down his transphobic tweets about Devi Ever, but the original lj entry (about the other incident) is still up here: http://billycorgan.livejournal.com/11224.html
(NB I do not blame anyone for not keeping up with Corgan's livejournal.)

Sorry, that url should be: http://www.queerty.com/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-calls-transwoman-a-heshe-and-an-ugly-pig-20110901

Fuck, I forgot about the dustup with Devi Ever.

yeah...actually that's definitely his nadir

i think there's even a song on one of the new SP albums coming out soon called "Nadir"

ok I'm not watching this but fuck the Foo Fighters for real now

http://youtu.be/Fv5ekzTubwU

oh man we should a Foo Fighters vs. Nirvana poll :D

I think it's SM who might be the insufferable drinking partner. It seems like a shallow reading to declare him a detached, terminally ironic superficial hipster type, but I've never seen any evidence to the contrary. I watched this interview with Ian Svenonious (think it's on youtube) that was just UGH.

Billy seems like kinda like a bro??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=624HfkMty_8

who plays better lead guitar – Macca, Corg, or Malk?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WleSh2SY304

i rest my case

that actually shows his virtuosity as a rhythm player - this is more lead-heavy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byzeyLkvn9E

this one too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzBVvD1vUvM

much prefer malkmus's music as a whole, though he never had a '1979' moment, where the entire ethos is distilled into a single song of immense power ('gold soundz' probably closest but still so far)

don't care what either of them are like off-record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR9aRK2HdNc