it's got the best wordplay by far
gabz its fine if you like that one best but this is just demonstrably false - buhloon is 100% double entendres metaphors and allusions
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link
i like the kiddie metaphors more than the adult metaphors, but there's a fair amount of adult stuff on the 1st one too
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link
as a prince paul fan i'm partial to the first three with BMS being tops
― carne asada, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:38 (sixteen years ago) link
'i am i be' for all time buhloone rules
― deej, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i love stakes is high
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link
When I listen to "I Am I Be" I get chills; like top ten song ever.
― Euler, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link
otm
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link
discovering that third de la album was when they really clicked for me, i think, and i started to actually have ideas about their music for the first time that really felt like my own rather than sort of blindly buying into one narrative or another, which i did when i heard the first two records ... i liked them but not enough to think about them. buhloone was kind of like a breakthrough (breakathrough?) where i realized De La were great and worth giving a shit about on a personal, rewind-this-record-over-and-over level rather than just paying my dues as a rap nerd by touching all the canon bases or whatever
i dont know if i think its the 'best' any more but its definitely the one de la record i most fondly associate w/ being a teenager and really getting rap, climbing up a neighbor's fire escape to watch the sun set on a rooftop w/ it playing in the headphones. good times
― deej, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link
buhloone is kinda impersonal to me.... i gotta admit i love de la is dead just for having so many songs that are the shit and this big smart ass unified concept and i love stakes is high cuz it was the first de la album i actually got when it dropped but all of em are the shit including aoi ones and grind date
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
one joint i think is underrated for real is "held down" with cee-lo http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-htszlfoDI
god, stakes is high is so fucking good, you people are clueless
― cutty, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
just curious, how do you mean 'impersonal' - like to you personally, or the overall sound of the record?? to me tracks like 'i am i be' are exactly the opposite of that
― deej, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
stakes is the shit, its the first one that fits in the era of rap i came up on instead of weirdo early 90s daisy age skit rap... set the style for the whole late 90s rawkus underground shit too
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
i guess i mean impersonal that like dudes seem a lot less passionate on it compared to the other joints like is dead or stakes, and i dig angry de la more than like self satisfied chillin de la - buhloone just gets a lil too workmanlike without having the smarter grown folks shit you get from the aoi cds.... its still dope dont get me wrong but i think like beats rhymes & life does the same style about 10000x better
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
i dunno i feel like im talking outta my ass cuz i dont play that as much as the other cds so let me play it out & get back to yall with opinions4u
stakes is the shit, its the first one that fits in the era of rap i came up on instead of weirdo early 90s daisy age skit rap
duh. but i confess i don't own it. is most of the stuff better than 'all good'?
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
beats rhymes & life does the same style about 10000x better damn! that's a lot of times better
― carne asada, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
stakes is high is great but it's the 1st one of theirs that had skippable tracks from the getgo.
― Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
aren't SiH and BR&L like the albums where they tried to sound like everyone else and therefore less deserving of any marginal distinction even if the flow was upped a notch?
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
all good was from mosaic thump, dum dum
u never heard 'stakes is high' or 'tha bizness' or 'itzsoweezee'???
xp damn thats a CHALLENGING OPINION gabb
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
stakes is high completely defined my summer when it came out. beats rhymes & life is its companion piece yes, but i will not rate them against each other.
― cutty, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
'wait doesnt this sound like other rap???' = the mating call of dudes who dont actually like rap
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i've heard stakes is high and tha bizness. is the rest better than those?
if liking someone other than de la is yr criterion of actually liking rap, then maybe you'd understand that someone who actually likes rap might prefer something other than those albums
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm just saying people be rating 1,2,3 and forgetting 4. in reality, it's 3>4>2 people. forget 1 unless you want to be skipping tracks.
― cutty, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link
"reality"
― Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
nah dog i just think its lame to be all suspicious of shit because you heard it might * gasp * actually sound like * gulp * MID 90s RAP MUSIC instead of your lil tokenist daisy age bill cosby conscious cat dreamz
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
allmusic is OTM here:
Stakes Is High is often overshadowed by its predecessors in the De La Soul discography and, upon its release, it was lost in a summer of great import and consequence. Released on the same day as Nas' alter-ego epic It Was Written and sandwiched between albums like Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt and OutKast's ATLiens, it's very possible that Stakes Is High didn't get its rightful burn in respective tape decks and CD players. Aside from that, hip-hop was fully embroiled in the East Coast vs. West Coast beef, something in which the Native Tongues vanguards were seeming nonplayers. But it's under these conditions that De La offered an album that was not only sonically excellent and creative and pure, but an album with the year's most relevant and prescient message. The stakes were indeed high. Inter-genre violence was bubbling beneath the surface, overshadowing the turn hip-hop was taking — a turn away from what was a mid-'90s renaissance of the late-'80s golden age excellence, quickly evolving into what is now known as the jiggy era. On "The Bizness" — a song featuring the quickly maturing Common before his lyrical touchstone One Day It'll All Makes Sense — Dave spits "Do not connect us with those champagne-sippin' money-fakers." Hip-hop was at a crossroads, a precipice — whatever you'd like to call it — and De La were concerned. "Supa Emcees" asked "Whatever happened to the MC?" and cautioned "MCing ain't for you!" "Dog Eat Dog" asserted that folks were "fucking my love in all the wrong places" — an obvious metaphor. "Baby Baby Baby Baby Ooh Baby" is a sharp satire of the Bad Boy-style hip-hop that was beginning its reign, fit with a beat as Hitmen-esque as an '80s R&B revision with Posdnuos rhyming in a conspicuously Biggie-like cadence. No, this was not an unabashed hip-hop classic like 3 Feet High and Rising and De La Soul Is Dead, or as provocative and fresh as some of its 1996 peers. It was, however, an entertaining and unapologetic De La album that placed hip-hop in front of a mirror. It's also an album that did its part to solve what De La were articulating as a problem, ushering in what would become the newer version of the Native Tongues, with multi-production from a young Jay Dee, Mos Def's introduction to most listeners, the aforementioned Common cameo, and hooks from Erykah Badu and Zhané, artists leading the burgeoning neo-soul movement of the time. It was as if De La were providing an antidote. Stakes Is High is an important album of this era, an album of great production and the most skilled of MCs who diagnosed symptoms of what they believed were hip-hop health complications — but it offered the medicine.
― cutty, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
nah dog i just think it's lame to make MID 90s RAP MUSIC when the shit you made before and after doesn't sound much like it or to listen to the de la or tribe version when there's a lot better MID 90s RAP MUSIC
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
de la or tribe version
but they were in the top tier of MID 90s RAP MUSIC
― carne asada, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
that amg review does a pretty good job explaining why you would want to listen to de la's version of MID 90s RAP MUSIC - maybe u should put us up on the dozens of cats you fuck with who were making better rap music than de la or tribe in 96?
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
gabbneb have you ever owned a backpack
― cutty, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
xp w/ dude saying the same thing - sorry man i know u wanna come off as a connissuer but you just sound madd dilettante/tokenist
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
look im all about personal taste and shit like that but if you seriously think the single 'stakes is high' is weak (as u imply in this thread) youre bad at listening to rap music
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yes, i have backpacked extensively throughout north america, or wish i had, at least. but i'd rather listen any day to jay-z or ghostface or nas than chali 2na or el-p or i don't even know who.
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
i have no issues with those other artists, but you haven't EVEN HEARD stakes is high, man. come on.
― cutty, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
what the fuck are you even talking about? seriously, what?
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
i dunno this kind of hardcore selectivism with rap is whats always bugged me about ilm rock critic dudes... like if youre fucking with 99.999% non-hiphop and only love 11 rap LPs i guess you can afford to treat shit like stakes is high as some mediocrity thats beneath your sorry ass but that shit is classic to me
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
(crocker!)
― carne asada, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw them on Landsdowne St when they toured for Stakes Is High. That show was FANTASTIC.
It is stupid and criminal that I don't have all of their albums.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
(I've got 3 Feet..., Dead, Stakes and the first AOI disc)
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
(My brother has Buhloone and I always assumed I'd tape it off him someday)
(crocker)
― cutty, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img.youtube.com/vi/kHmvkRoEowc/2.jpg (crocker)
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
LEAVE GABBNEB ALONE
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
only love 11 rap LPs i guess you can afford to treat shit like stakes is high as some mediocrity thats beneath your sorry ass but that shit is classic to me
yeah, sorry, there's a space between only loving 11 rap lp's and being a completist rap geek
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
thread taking a turn for the suck
― Euler, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
i've always repped for Stakes. the people that push so hard for 3 feet are the same people that think the best hip hop group/production was Public Enemy (ie white dudes who were in college or highschool when they came out)
― jaxon, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
but yeah cutty otm i haven't even heard the thing
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Stakes is fantastic.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link
skits suck, that's why later albums are better listens start to finish.
― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link