full episode is on hulu:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/14849/miami-vice-bushido
― battlestar elastica (get bent), Monday, 23 March 2009 03:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I was a latecomer to this album and Kate Bush in general, but I wish I could time-travel back and burn a copy of this albu, for all for the many girl/friends I had in high-school and college who thought Tori Amos invented this shit (though some of them seemed to think that Tori invented music itself, and an attempt to convince them otherwise, however reasonable, would likely have resulted in denial and/or rage).
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Monday, 23 March 2009 03:48 (fifteen years ago) link
*sorry for the typing mess.
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Monday, 23 March 2009 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link
yawn.
― Tim F, Monday, 23 March 2009 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link
yawn kant tori read
― velko, Monday, 23 March 2009 03:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Were you bored by my post, Tim, or are you just sleepy? Please insert zing here ____________________.
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Monday, 23 March 2009 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't really be bothered getting into the argument now, but in brief, the whole "Woah Kate Bush is the OG Tori Amos" line is:
a) wrong;b) boring, lazy, overstated criticism along the lines of "Steely Dan is what punk was born to fight against" or "rap is nothing but bling and sexism" (albeit not as sweeping as those two examples); andc) leaving aside whether it's fair on Tori Amos, a massive distortion of what makes Kate Bush interesting, by implicitly reducing her to whatever falls within the stylistic venn diagram created by the two artists, which is not much: they're actually very different as songwriters, as arrangers and as singers.
― Tim F, Monday, 23 March 2009 04:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Fair enough. If it's a cliche to make the comparison, I wasn't aware of that, and I'm not really prepared for nuanced critical debate on the issue anyway, as I've never sat down and listened to them side by side. I have been listening to a lot of Kate Bush recently, and have been struck by the vocal resemblance, so I'll stand by that at least.
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Monday, 23 March 2009 04:40 (fifteen years ago) link
:)
― Surmounter, Monday, 23 March 2009 05:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I probably overreact when i see the comparison because it's made so often and in such sweeping terms from people who basically want an easy stick to beat one or both artists with - I'm sure a search of the ILM archives will yield any number of examples, many of which i've responded to in more detail.
What most annoys me about it is that it implies that there is only space for one of these artists, when the same claim would not be made about actually-more-similar groups and artists etc. It's as if "genre" is a prop reserved exclusively for male rock.
(plus Tori sounds more like Stevie Nicks crossed with Joni Mitchell)
Lex summed it up pretty concisely previously:
"They play the piano and their vocal ranges overlap and that is all they share. Their entire aesthetic foundations are completely different - they sing about wildly different subjects in wildly different ways. Tori has not professed any debt to Kate Bush - what she has said is that she was never aware of Kate Bush until very late because Kate Bush never really broke America to a great extent."
...
"Their vocal differences are more numerous and more important {than their vocal similarites}... Tori can rasp in a way Kate doesn't, and always sounds libidinous while Kate sounds asexual. Also, their vocals work in completely different ways - when Kate does kooky affectations, it's deliberate and controlled, almost like performance art; Tori, on the other hand, makes her mispronunciations and mannerisms sound natural by-products of her emotion.
― Tim F, Monday, 23 March 2009 05:11 (fifteen years ago) link
asexual otm
― Surmounter, Monday, 23 March 2009 05:13 (fifteen years ago) link
one of the most obvious differences to me s the instrumentation. i guess i see more similarity when it comes to early kate, but later kate employed a variety of instruments/synths that tori never seemed to.
― Surmounter, Monday, 23 March 2009 05:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Alright, but we know that The Church have just covered Kate Bush's song Hounds of Love right?
I can't keep up with this thread. I'm too drunk just now.
― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 23 March 2009 06:42 (fifteen years ago) link
The who the what now?
― Nhex, Monday, 23 March 2009 10:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I stuck this on earlier, and what really jumped out was Kate's sibilant 'ess'es, especially on the title track. I've never noticed it before, but she's quite hissy (also breathier than I'd thought). Is it maybe a treatment on the vocal, or even the limitation of mp3 as a format?
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 23 March 2009 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link
it's kate dude
― cutty, Monday, 23 March 2009 13:41 (fifteen years ago) link
she's always been a grand enunciator. her t's, c's and k's are pretty mean too
― Surmounter, Monday, 23 March 2009 13:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm cool with it
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 23 March 2009 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link
whatever man you said kate was a limitation of mp3 as a format
― cutty, Monday, 23 March 2009 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link
No I didn't. Don't be a dick.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 23 March 2009 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link
XD
― cutty, Monday, 23 March 2009 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link
It's in the treesit's coming
― Fever Pitch, Bitch (Bimble), Monday, 15 June 2009 02:29 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^THIS
― eat my pain away (i got problems) (Tape Store), Monday, 15 June 2009 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link
"Hounds of Love" and "Hello Earth" are probably my favorites? Love the whole album to death, though.
― eat my pain away (i got problems) (Tape Store), Monday, 15 June 2009 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Night of the Demon is a classic film and worth watching, she sampled those lines for a reason
― Milton Parker, Monday, 15 June 2009 04:38 (fourteen years ago) link
i need to do that
― surm, Monday, 15 June 2009 05:32 (fourteen years ago) link
strongest 1-2 opening-songs punch ever, in the history of albums and opening songs and punches
― fleetwood (max), Sunday, 11 October 2009 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
<3 u kate
― just sayin, Sunday, 11 October 2009 00:51 (fourteen years ago) link
my life in the bush of kate
― a bleak, sometimes frightening portrait of ceiling cat (contenderizer), Sunday, 11 October 2009 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link
how dare u
― cutty, Sunday, 11 October 2009 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I was just showed the video of This Woman's Work to the new girl I'm seeing and she talked the whole time???
― Jacob Sanders, Sunday, 11 October 2009 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Bad sign
― Jacob Sanders, Sunday, 11 October 2009 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
god poor show for my 2 faves Under Ice and Dream Of Sheep.
― piscesx, Sunday, 11 October 2009 02:03 (fourteen years ago) link
wait aren't you the dude whose ex asked you if you still listen to kate?
― cutty, Sunday, 11 October 2009 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes I am, none of the women I know are crazy about Kate Bush. I don't understand.
― Jacob Sanders, Sunday, 11 October 2009 05:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Running up That Hill is the most dull song on the entire album for me. Whenever I listen to Hounds, I start at track 3.
― butchy, Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:22 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark
i really hate you
― cutty, Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:23 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark
― omar little, Saturday, 5 December 2009 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link
"Mother Stands for Comfort" should've got votes.
― SBanned of Brothers (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 December 2009 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link
V. surprised to see this as ILX's No. 1 of the 80s. Not upset, by any means (Hounds Of Love is great), but surprised.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 5 December 2009 14:09 (fourteen years ago) link
it's my #1 of all time, so not surprising
― la monte jung (cutty), Saturday, 5 December 2009 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link
And Dream of Sheep is so pretty
― Do you love me now? (surm), Saturday, 5 December 2009 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link
The title track wuz robbed.
― Vast Halo, Saturday, 5 December 2009 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link
No.4 of the eighties, unless someone's done a follow-up poll really quick
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 5 December 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
i just know that something good is going to happen fyi.
― ian, Saturday, 5 December 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
every song should have got 100 votes
― jabba hands, Monday, 7 December 2009 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Just looked out the window and realised its a HoL day. If I had to pick one track it would be Hello Earth, because it has to be one of the most moving pieces of music ever made.Am also fond of the bit where she'll "pause for a jet" in The Big Sky, or the relentless trudge of strings in Cloudbusting, or those sntaches of voices like waking from a dream, or being ill as a child: "Look who's here to see you." Incidentally, a friend of ours knocked up one of those Wilhelm Reich cloudbusting gizmos in our back garden. The conversation went like this. "So Charles, is it supposed to make it rain, or prevent rain?""Well, er, it's supposed to promote balance...""So sometimes it'll make it rain, and sometimes it won't""Er, yes"
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Monday, 7 December 2009 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Mother STands for Comfort deserved all 7 votes that went to Jig of Life
― akm, Monday, 7 December 2009 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link
like, how do u feel when you've finished recording this album?
― Do you love me now? (surm), Monday, 7 December 2009 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
god i can't imagine.must be amazing.the satisfaction, relief, probably kind of like really good sex except a billion times better??!?
― ian, Monday, 14 December 2009 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
― ian, Saturday, December 5, 2009 5:05 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark
― Joint Custody (ian), Saturday, 9 January 2010 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link
hello lady
― plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 9 January 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link