Fiery Furnaces sans sis: Matthew Friedberger's Winter Women/Holy Ghost Language School

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oh i think friedberger is one of the best people going, which is why i'd be happier if he really knocked one out of the park so i could go "see! SEE!" rather than making stuff that if i am being honest to myself i can see why most people don't get - or at least if he's gonna do stuff like that i want it to be overwhelmingly awesome rather than capable. actually i do think stuff on rehearsing my choir, the first half at least, really is that great. which is why it's funny that i feel kind of over them, since that was really only a year ago.

i can't think of anyone who isn't already hugely overdiscussed here that i prefer - c. finn, o.pallett, j.newsom, etc. the paper chase.

the critics thing: partly the need for "responsible criticism" (i.e. why-you-should-or-shouldn't-buy-this-record) mebbe is working against these records - in that really someone trying to get at them would have to come from a fan's perspective already, discuss them from that. i mean, these are records that are getting two paragraph reviews, and once you've summarised the thing you're three quarters there, there's a lot to explain.

and i think totally part of the thing here is the weird aesthetic sphere indie rock occupies, where the best work being done in some ways can't ever be the most progressive, or the most popular, although popular is a loaded question when you consider real people tastes with pitchfork tastes ... that there's a lack of places for meaningful work to be discussed in a meaningful way. that the most retrograde acts are going to be the most popular and most discussed, which makes a tedious vicious cycle of the whole thing.

(that i can't be bothered getting wound up about it because hey it's indie rock what you gonna do.)

x-post with eppy, who also brings up the status of "indie rock" here and all.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

(i mean, what on earth is "traditional indie rock fame"? plenty people haven't heard of pavement, y'no.)

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:19 (seventeen years ago) link

If I had the kind of time I used to I'd do an edit of Bitter Tea that would make it a lot more likable (Step 1: remove 90% of the things with backwards vocals, Step 2: remove the two alternate versions) but I have to admit I wrote a somewhat negative review of that one, largely from a fan's perspective of being frustrated with 'em; I think if I can now summarize that frustration now as "at least produce Eleanor's songs in the more straighforward style, damnit" but maybe not. Like I mean compare the more melodic songs on BT with even the melodic ones on BB--"Birdie Brain" vs. "Teach Me Sweetheart" say. I just feel the songs could be better served. I love the experimentation but I feel part of the Furnaces' charm is getting lost. I should probably stop saying these things in public though.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"Traditional indie rock fame" = Wilco, the Shins, Death Cab, or even say Stars or I dunno the Stills or something, whichever of those The bands people still pay attention to. It's a pretty well-paved route at this point and people seem to like bands that do it. The Furnaces did the "accessible, straightforward first album" and then the "sprawling, conceptual second album" thing and then they could've settled on cutting some path between those two for the rest of the decade but they just kept on going.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i agree that indie kids are looking at them as a "rock band that went wanky" rather than "a bunch of musicians that sometimes play around with straight-up rock and other times go for a more out there syd barrett/harry partch/sun ra thing" -- most pitchfork types are in their early 20s and have only ever heard a very limited amount of music, most of which revolves around indie, emo, teen pop, a little vintage pop-punk, a little carefully chosen classic rock. what "out" music they have heard is still mostly baffling to them, or maybe they can only handle it when thom yorke or bjork approach it, or something. the FFs don't really announce their avant-garde intentions in their PR, whereas yorke/bjork do and NEVER LET YOU FORGET IT. so there's not a lot of context for what the FFs/matt friedberger are doing, and to most people it just looks like a rock band that went wanky.

(aside: i actually really like the backwards stuff, although it's not my favorite gimmick of theirs. it's not that it's novel or anything, but it has a cool texture. and matt f. has noted that he was trying to be fake-scary rather than earnestly psychedelic.)

you want pastrami? (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

holy ghost is my favorite of the two btw. it's kinda contemplative and introverted. and i find it plenty listenable!

you want pastrami? (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:53 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a good interview - he touches on some of the stuff we've been talking about, like indie rock aesthetics, fan reaction, recording songs and albums with certain "rules" in mind, etc.

If you think of it real simply, like "I like this record by so-and-so and there are so many people who like it as well," then you think, "OK, I'm going to make a record inspired by that," but it's not going to sound the same, so you have to make a whole bunch of decisions in making your record, and each time you make a decision half the people who liked the original record won't agree with you, they'll want you to make the decision the other way. So you get a record at the end of it that 1 out of 16 people who liked that original record will like."

morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

first record might make my top 10 of 2006 if it wasn't attached the other one, the second's a chore to listen to really. still i'm glas they exist, if that makes any sense.

http://www.citypaper.com/music/story.asp?id=12126

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 24 August 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
I better get registered as a sex offender Ned because I got it... And I like it! Even on such early listens. What is all the negative fuss about? People should listen. The first track is so Orange Juice

FACEBRACE (FACEBRACE), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

i like it too (both records)

diane airbus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

eight years pass...

"Mr Fried Burger, I Resume" has 27 Google results, 0 reviews and is also available as an app.

The guy's dived so far under the radar it feels like discovering a wonderful & completely unknown new artist, not the principal songwriter behind one of the most hyped indie bands of the previous decade.

Oh, and because he no longer gives one fuck what people think of him, he's taken to only releasing mad (certifiably insane) synth-rock operas. Coz, like, that's what he's always wanted to do (and has always done, except now they're even weirder)

It's one of the best albums of the year but I also fully expect to be the only person on ILX who thinks this

You can hear 3 tracks here: https://mfriedberger.bandcamp.com/releases but I bought the whole thing and found this to be an excellent choice.

And to think I only found this after being overtaken by a spontaneous pang of missing the Fieries and idly wondering what the old devil was up to...

Yul Brynner playing table tennis with a deviled kidney (imago), Thursday, 3 September 2015 22:59 (eight years ago) link

I'd say this project alone pretty definitively killed any mainstream-indie interest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solos

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 September 2015 23:45 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Wow- never even heard about that "Solos" thing. I like those "Mr Fried Burger" tracks on Bandcamp. May have to pull the trigger and buy it.

o. nate, Friday, 9 October 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link

i enjoyed parts of 'solos'

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 9 October 2015 02:13 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

Saqqara Mastabas is the new band comprised of Matthew Friedberger of Fiery Furnaces and Bob D’Amico of Sebadoh. They’ll release their debut album Libras on June 3 via Joyful Noise Recordings.

Libras Track List:
1. Walking Through The False Door
2. Fixed By The Tiny Talons Of The Future Goddess
3. No Escape For The Serfs On The Surf
4. Uto On The Upswing
5. Parade Of The Prisoner Priests On Parade
6. Smoking On The Mountain, Embalming In The Valley
7. The Failure (Of The Fencing Of The Underground Apart From The Apartment’s Part)
8. Unknown Term For Butcher
9. The Cosmetician’s Knife

mizzell, Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link

"Parade Of The Prisoner Priests On Parade" is very "Birmingham School of Business School"

goodoldneon, Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:11 (eight years ago) link

omg yay

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link

I did end up buying the Mr. Fried Burger album and found it pretty enjoyable, both the mini-operetta at the beginning, and the more rock-oriented tracks after.

o. nate, Friday, 13 May 2016 00:49 (eight years ago) link

yeah you and i are responsible for 1/3 of its rym ratings lol

preview track off the saqqara mastabas album is great btw :)

two weeks pass...

It's oooooouuuuttttttt

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 2 June 2016 23:11 (seven years ago) link

And it's only half an hour long! So I've just listened to it.

It's the oldest music in the world, you know. A charm of instrumentals from before anyone knew singing could exist

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 2 June 2016 23:41 (seven years ago) link


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