Here's a fun RHP rocker, and latter day RHP basically just feels indistinct from SKM/Kozelek solo anyhow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIamI0Va7g
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link
Just trying more to bring attention to ideal Kozelek. So many people think his current schtick is somehow representative of overall output.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
yeah but isn't the problem that his current live set relies heavily on his recent output
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
Well sure, but I'm just trying to show that Benji-era doesn't represent the vast majority of his otherwise stellar discography.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
Nice track Evan. I like the My Bloody Valentine at 4:40 in Between Days
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I always got that vibe from it as well.
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
"Between Days" is so great. a "Dancing Days" pastiche that somehow greatly surpasses the original
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
fuck is with this guy
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/04/i-interviewed-mark-kozelek-he-called-me-a-bitch-on-stage
― goole, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
He comes off like he's just been to some PUA asshole's negging seminar and is trying out his new-learned skillz
― Frank 4ad (NickB), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
some unchill maroon
― polyphonic, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
e harvey called him "indie rock's lester burnham" and it's a sad, well-fitting shoe
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
― Frank 4ad (NickB), Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:19 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yea or he just watched this sequence a bunch of times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbanWHx5AFQ
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
god that movie is so bad
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
Feel a bit bemused that anyone is surprised he is a * dick *.
― djh, Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:48 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u r bad
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
"Surprise" doesn't seem remotely like the accurate verb to describe people's reaction to this
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
Or adverb WHATEVER
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
pretty weird self-destructo thing happening though -- w/o all of this hoohah, the dude would be coasting on some of the best reviews of his career (maybe even the best sales?).
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
Adjective, right? Embarrassing but I'd feel worse if I was pretending to be more cynical than people who think kozelek's trip is an increasing bummer
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link
Hearing from a lot of people that he is very nice 1 on 1 and nobody is quite sure why he chooses to come off this way in a public setting.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
More likely to get punched in the face 1 on 1
― da croupier, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
otm not as easy to say "It's a performance! I'm doing art!" when it's a 1 to 1 conversation
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
what happened to my kozelekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQWBTAt-xBI
― ciderpress, Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
buzz kil buffoon
― Frank 4ad (NickB), Thursday, 4 June 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
As someone who knows virtually nothing about him he comes across like Ariel Pink to me, another resentful indie omega male puffed up by acclaim and turning that resentment outward as angry misogyny.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
Too bad because a ton of his albums are nuanced and smart and mature. Such a discrepancy from this behavior. His latest album matches well though.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 June 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link
Kozelek is a manic depressive. It sounds like a hypomanic episode.
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
I don't think he is, though. He's been consistently, though increasingly, like this in a public setting for years. Even in the April-era you heard stories. And his lyrics have always revealed a potential for nastiness (e.g. the "mistress" character). What's puzzling is his apparent wish/compulsion to show off this side of himself in the limelight. However, it's reinforced by all the attention
― Mule, Thursday, 4 June 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
Hmm this guy is obviously a complete shit but some of his friends think he isn't and also he sings songs
*thinks*
*thinks for ages*
― Vaguely Fettening WAPCHAS (wins), Thursday, 4 June 2015 23:08 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, we should all probably stop wasting our valuable time on this particular thread on this vast internet music message board.
― Mule, Thursday, 4 June 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link
seems kinda shitty to me that P-fork didn't report on this incidnt at all, considering the 12 fucking pieces they posted on the Koz/War on Drugs "feud"...thing
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:18 (nine years ago) link
Schreibs responded on FB.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link
I was 100% onboard with him calling a bunch of hip urban 'new south' concertgoers hillbillies, because I hate Raleigh & thought it was a deliciously well-aimed jab (cf that Ben Folds Five song about trying to cover up your redneck past) but everything since then has made me want to to karate-kick his cranky ass into a garbage truck
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link
(Full disclosure: I have heard no RHP & very little SKM, so I was basically indifferent towards him at the time. Some of the RHP stuff posted itt are intriguing & I would maybe even have bought a record or two, if I didn't have infinite better things to do than give my money to shitheads)
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 5 June 2015 02:48 (nine years ago) link
* RHP songs posted itt
i think calling him 'cranky' is pretty generous
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 June 2015 14:24 (nine years ago) link
is it all that difficult to wrap your head around an artist being really good but also being a total asshole? why isn't this a tale as old as time
(obv many ppl are dropping into this thread just to say dude sucks, but rest of yall don't need to wring your hands so hard)
― een, Friday, 5 June 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Well part of my problem is that he's making headlines for his bad behavior, then people want to see what his music sounds like so they listen to "The Possum" and wonder why he has any fans. And I'm over here saying "Wait! This isn't the same dude that I became a fan of- try Young Love instead!"
― Evan, Friday, 5 June 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
And then they can say "Oh so he's an asshole you can hum along with at times."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 June 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
y'know, like Chris Brown
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 June 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link
I don't see why anybody would want to engage in the sort of hairsplitting which characterizes most "good artist/bad person" debates when the artist himself seems to get a perverse thrill out of tying the hairs back together at the earliest opportunity
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Friday, 5 June 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
I don't think people are having trouble "wrapping their head around it" so much as taking the time to call out abusive public behavior. The internet and era of instance democratized communication is not a tale as old as time, try wrapping your head around that.
Usually we find out about artist behaving bad after I've heard a bunch of their stuff, often years after it, often years after that person is dead even. I imagine if John Lennon was pulling abusive stuff in the age of the internet he would be called out on it on a daily basis.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 5 June 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
they have to phrase it as if everyone is a naive idiot pearl-clutching in shock rather than simply expressing disgust and disappointment, otherwise "i am capable of separating the art from the artist" would be a piddly thing to crow about
― da croupier, Friday, 5 June 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
is this guy an alcoholic maybe?
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
i've been watching Vikings, and i think that he is a Viking maybe?
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link
in his sleep maybe
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 June 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
Oh boy, sleaze! That's where he's a viking
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 June 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
he was well known to be in rehab as a teenager (for drugs) but i've never known alcohol be an issue with him, he's just been kind of a dick forever; it's more that his stature has risen to a point where people pay attention to his dickishness.
― akm, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
was he writing sadcore variations on g'n'rs "get in the ring" in 1995?
― da croupier, Friday, 5 June 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
probably, they're just way more buried in metaphor
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 5 June 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link