The Doors are a PROGRESSIVE BAND, one of the best ones and they are American

The reason I like "Hyacinth House," for one example, is not because it's progressive. It would be interesting for me to hear people who like to think of the Doors as progressive to identify particular songs from the repertoire that fit that designation so we could see the extent to which they fit and maybe look particularly at why. I would say I kind of get it with The Soft Parade or side four of Absolutely Live, but not sure I get it elsewhere.

Even with The Soft Parade, I start wondering how many other psychedelic music albums I would also have to consider to be progressive.

Reggie, I'm not sure why the Silver Apples or 50 Ft. Hose are singled out as particular examples. Silver Apples' first album has nine tracks, eight of which are 4:11 or under. The second album does have four tracks that are 5:11 or longer, but the longest one is 6:26.

organ dominated non-pop jams, a la ray manzarek, the first keyboard wizard, is why they're singled out, in a continuum from the DOORS to SUICIDE

There is no organ in Silver Apples. I kind of get maybe looking at Simeon as a wizard in a "progressive" sense, though. Not sure I get it with Martin Rev.

50 Ft. Hose had someone making noise with electronics but "If Not This Time" sounds like the Peanut Butter Conspiracy, too.

the Doors were a death vibe, black leather and shit, Suicide is a clear descedent

tim u are looking for Doors facts u need to embrace Doors feelings

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#strangedaysmono

You're right that it makes sense to say that Suicide has a vibe that maybe comes at least partly from a Doors lineage. But I don't associate that lineage with Yes or Genesis or King Crimson.

My bigger argument is that, musically, the Doors were as much a psychedelic band, a pop band, and a roots rock band (ca. last two albums) as they were a progressive band. Maybe in some cases more.

The chord progression heard on the keyboards at the beginning of "Light My Fire" with the cycle of fourths - I don't see that as progressive. It wasn't outside of any general psychedelic music practice. The keyboard solo in that song is modal over two repeating chords.

I don't see that as progressive

I mean I don't see it as "progressive" as in "progressive rock." It's reasonably innovative for 1967 for sure.

I always use "prog". Even as a big fan of the genre the whole idea of progress in music is far too subjective to attach as a genre definition.

Absolutely and I think that's exactly what we're discussing given that the first post in this thread uses the term "prog" specifically.

organ dominated non-pop jams

but most of their songs were total pop!

i.e. with the skeezed out ~dark~ undertone that upper miss describes

i.e.

I think that's exactly what we're discussing given that the first post in this thread uses the term "prog" specifically.

I thought we were discussing whether or not the Association had a keyboard player in the 60s.

simeon making his own synth rig / keybs and then naming it after himself is pretty damn proggy. not even mike ratledge, keith emerson, tony banks, or rick wakeman did that shit

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Throbbing Gristle did though, con't get progger than them.

*can't

mm, con't works..

The virtuoso violin playing of MR

(cont.) The virtuoso violin playing of Mr. Genesis P-Orridge has long been admired.

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Watching the Doors movie right now

love that film

"hey is that Arthur Lee? he's cool"

It's maybe the best bad film of all time

I don't even like the Doors but as a big dumb movie about a rock band it is really entertaining in a way that 99% of biopics are not

I love the Doors, but yeah in Oliver Stone they got a director that believed his own bullshit as much as they believed theirs

I never noticed how well Kevin Dillon learned how to play drums, he really sells it

it's the little throwaway details that make it for me - Billy Idol rhapsodizing about "the leather, the beard, the odor of the tribe", the Ed Sullivan show censor's suggestion of "girl, we can't get much better", "let's get some tacos!", Paul Williams and Crispin Glover at the Factory, Kyle MacLachlan's wig... also maybe the only movie in which I enjoy the presence of Meg Ryan

plus the editing and film stock tricks and visual trickery are just reaaallly evocative of psychedelia, Stone employing his tricks well

TRICKS I say!

kilmer's morrison is pretty great

The stuff where the wholesome California Doors go visit evil New York City with the Velvet Underground in the background & Crispin Glover slurping up the scenery as Andy Warhol. "These people are vampires, Jim."

See, if they'd give Oliver Stone the new Star Wars flicks the Death Star could be this dark VU scene and the rebel underground could be California rockers.

Luke Skywalker sings "Break on Through To The Other Side."

doors soundtrack was probably where lots of kids first heard the VU ... and hated it.

nico as this voluptuous sex kitten was pretty funny too - "morreesun"

i want to hear the 17 minute version of Alabama Song

i agree with this thread title

"remembered" / "a night on the town" on the new DEAR HUNTER nails it and "devil church" on the latest GHOST album even if non-american proceeds with choice church of manzarek organ

NYCNative, you even hate CAPTAIN BEYOND?

No, I like them. There are exceptions. I like Rush and Voivod. Probably a few more with some output I like but a lot I don't (like Yes and Van der Graaf Generator).

But as a rule, not a genre I enjoy.

doors soundtrack was probably where lots of kids first heard the VU ... and hated it.

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Yo, though I didn't hate it.

Also I'm trying to convince my wife its cool to get blown while doing a vocal

"Honey it was in the Doors movie! Plus I think I saw something in Tape Op about it"

love me two times. love me twice today

break on through
to the bad posts guy

I feel like Da Capo might have a better shot at being the first prog album. There are a LOT of sonic similarities between the furst Doors album and the first side of Da Capo but I have a hard time working out who influenced who in that...

One thing pribably safe to say: a lot of the groundwork for prog was laid in Los Angeles between 1965 and 1969

'Spanish Caravan' is one Doors song that comes to me that kinda seems progressive in a similar way to say the Nice or late 60s rock stretching arrangements and trying different sounds mixed together. Spanish Caravan has that Flamenco inspired acoustic number that fills out the front half of the tune then it breaks down and comes in with the similar melody electric half through the number. There is quite a bit of music packed into 2.59 in that Doors track.

It's based on Albinoni's Adagio so got the classical music thing going on.

Cool, did not know that. Makes sense.

The spoken word/poetry lp an American Prayer has the musicians from the Doors running through a straighter version of the Albinoni tune from what I remember, but I can't remember when it was recorded. If it is just part of the outtakes for Waiting For The Sun or if it was recorded later or even much later since the lp didn't come out until around 1980.