#ridethesnake#strangedaysmono
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
You're right that it makes sense to say that Suicide has a vibe that maybe comes at least partly from a Doors lineage. But I don't associate that lineage with Yes or Genesis or King Crimson.
My bigger argument is that, musically, the Doors were as much a psychedelic band, a pop band, and a roots rock band (ca. last two albums) as they were a progressive band. Maybe in some cases more.
The chord progression heard on the keyboards at the beginning of "Light My Fire" with the cycle of fourths - I don't see that as progressive. It wasn't outside of any general psychedelic music practice. The keyboard solo in that song is modal over two repeating chords.
― timellison, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
I don't see that as progressive
I mean I don't see it as "progressive" as in "progressive rock." It's reasonably innovative for 1967 for sure.
― timellison, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
I always use "prog". Even as a big fan of the genre the whole idea of progress in music is far too subjective to attach as a genre definition.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
Absolutely and I think that's exactly what we're discussing given that the first post in this thread uses the term "prog" specifically.
― timellison, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
organ dominated non-pop jams
but most of their songs were total pop!
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
i.e. with the skeezed out ~dark~ undertone that upper miss describes
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
i.e.
I think that's exactly what we're discussing given that the first post in this thread uses the term "prog" specifically.
I thought we were discussing whether or not the Association had a keyboard player in the 60s.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
simeon making his own synth rig / keybs and then naming it after himself is pretty damn proggy. not even mike ratledge, keith emerson, tony banks, or rick wakeman did that shit
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― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 23:25 (eight years ago) link
Throbbing Gristle did though, con't get progger than them.
― Satiation’s Second Sibelius (Assurance T. Rex), Thursday, 3 September 2015 07:44 (eight years ago) link
*can't
mm, con't works..
― Mark G, Thursday, 3 September 2015 09:49 (eight years ago) link
The virtuoso violin playing of MR
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 September 2015 09:57 (eight years ago) link
(cont.) The virtuoso violin playing of Mr. Genesis P-Orridge has long been admired.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 September 2015 09:59 (eight years ago) link
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― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
woops make that
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― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 3 September 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
Watching the Doors movie right now
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
love that film
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:04 (eight years ago) link
"hey is that Arthur Lee? he's cool"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:05 (eight years ago) link
It's maybe the best bad film of all time
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
I don't even like the Doors but as a big dumb movie about a rock band it is really entertaining in a way that 99% of biopics are not
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link
I love the Doors, but yeah in Oliver Stone they got a director that believed his own bullshit as much as they believed theirs
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
I never noticed how well Kevin Dillon learned how to play drums, he really sells it
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link
it's the little throwaway details that make it for me - Billy Idol rhapsodizing about "the leather, the beard, the odor of the tribe", the Ed Sullivan show censor's suggestion of "girl, we can't get much better", "let's get some tacos!", Paul Williams and Crispin Glover at the Factory, Kyle MacLachlan's wig... also maybe the only movie in which I enjoy the presence of Meg Ryan
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link
plus the editing and film stock tricks and visual trickery are just reaaallly evocative of psychedelia, Stone employing his tricks well
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 September 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link
TRICKS I say!
kilmer's morrison is pretty great
― balls, Thursday, 3 September 2015 22:23 (eight years ago) link
The stuff where the wholesome California Doors go visit evil New York City with the Velvet Underground in the background & Crispin Glover slurping up the scenery as Andy Warhol. "These people are vampires, Jim."
See, if they'd give Oliver Stone the new Star Wars flicks the Death Star could be this dark VU scene and the rebel underground could be California rockers.
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 3 September 2015 22:46 (eight years ago) link
Luke Skywalker sings "Break on Through To The Other Side."
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 3 September 2015 22:52 (eight years ago) link
doors soundtrack was probably where lots of kids first heard the VU ... and hated it.
― tylerw, Thursday, 3 September 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
nico as this voluptuous sex kitten was pretty funny too - "morreesun"
― balls, Friday, 4 September 2015 00:25 (eight years ago) link
i want to hear the 17 minute version of Alabama Song
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 4 September 2015 02:46 (eight years ago) link
i agree with this thread title
― surm, Friday, 4 September 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
"remembered" / "a night on the town" on the new DEAR HUNTER nails it and "devil church" on the latest GHOST album even if non-american proceeds with choice church of manzarek organ
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
NYCNative, you even hate CAPTAIN BEYOND?
No, I like them. There are exceptions. I like Rush and Voivod. Probably a few more with some output I like but a lot I don't (like Yes and Van der Graaf Generator).
But as a rule, not a genre I enjoy.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, 3 September 2015 22:54 (Yesterday) Permalink
Yo, though I didn't hate it.
Also I'm trying to convince my wife its cool to get blown while doing a vocal
"Honey it was in the Doors movie! Plus I think I saw something in Tape Op about it"
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 4 September 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
love me two times. love me twice today
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 4 September 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
break on throughto the bad posts guy
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 4 September 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
I feel like Da Capo might have a better shot at being the first prog album. There are a LOT of sonic similarities between the furst Doors album and the first side of Da Capo but I have a hard time working out who influenced who in that...
― watermelon nuns from Calgary (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 September 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
One thing pribably safe to say: a lot of the groundwork for prog was laid in Los Angeles between 1965 and 1969
― watermelon nuns from Calgary (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 September 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link
'Spanish Caravan' is one Doors song that comes to me that kinda seems progressive in a similar way to say the Nice or late 60s rock stretching arrangements and trying different sounds mixed together. Spanish Caravan has that Flamenco inspired acoustic number that fills out the front half of the tune then it breaks down and comes in with the similar melody electric half through the number. There is quite a bit of music packed into 2.59 in that Doors track.
― earlnash, Saturday, 5 September 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link
It's based on Albinoni's Adagio so got the classical music thing going on.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 5 September 2015 04:46 (eight years ago) link
Cool, did not know that. Makes sense.
― earlnash, Saturday, 5 September 2015 04:56 (eight years ago) link
The spoken word/poetry lp an American Prayer has the musicians from the Doors running through a straighter version of the Albinoni tune from what I remember, but I can't remember when it was recorded. If it is just part of the outtakes for Waiting For The Sun or if it was recorded later or even much later since the lp didn't come out until around 1980.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 5 September 2015 10:10 (eight years ago) link
Doors were definitely influenced by Love, not the other way around. Think I read that's why they signed tomelektra -- they wanted to be on Arthur Lee's label.
― tylerw, Saturday, 5 September 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link
*to elektra*
― tylerw, Saturday, 5 September 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link
And I'm sure I read that Arthur Lee recommended them to Jac Holzman.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Saturday, 5 September 2015 14:35 (eight years ago) link
The thing here that made me question was that Da Capo was released after the first Doors album...Idk exactly how early that material is, obv 7 & 7 Is was around in 66 and Revelation was (purportedly) early enough to inspire the Stones' Goin Home, so its v possible the band were gigging a lot of the baroque/jazz-leaning songs in LA clubs early enough to influence the Doors' own sound (Morrison famously cited Love as his favorite band)...otoh I dont necessarily think its implausible that Arthur Lee, without denigrating his achievement, maybe tried to cop a little of Manzarek's steez for songs like Stephanie Knows Who and Que Vida?
― watermelon nuns from Calgary (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 5 September 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
I know Morrison was very influenced, especially in terms of stage presence & moves, by Van Morrison in Them when they played the whisky
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 September 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link