The Doors are a PROGRESSIVE BAND, one of the best ones and they are American

I always use "prog". Even as a big fan of the genre the whole idea of progress in music is far too subjective to attach as a genre definition.

Absolutely and I think that's exactly what we're discussing given that the first post in this thread uses the term "prog" specifically.

organ dominated non-pop jams

but most of their songs were total pop!

i.e. with the skeezed out ~dark~ undertone that upper miss describes

i.e.

I think that's exactly what we're discussing given that the first post in this thread uses the term "prog" specifically.

I thought we were discussing whether or not the Association had a keyboard player in the 60s.

simeon making his own synth rig / keybs and then naming it after himself is pretty damn proggy. not even mike ratledge, keith emerson, tony banks, or rick wakeman did that shit

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Throbbing Gristle did though, con't get progger than them.

*can't

mm, con't works..

The virtuoso violin playing of MR

(cont.) The virtuoso violin playing of Mr. Genesis P-Orridge has long been admired.

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woops make that

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Watching the Doors movie right now

love that film

"hey is that Arthur Lee? he's cool"

It's maybe the best bad film of all time

I don't even like the Doors but as a big dumb movie about a rock band it is really entertaining in a way that 99% of biopics are not

I love the Doors, but yeah in Oliver Stone they got a director that believed his own bullshit as much as they believed theirs

I never noticed how well Kevin Dillon learned how to play drums, he really sells it

it's the little throwaway details that make it for me - Billy Idol rhapsodizing about "the leather, the beard, the odor of the tribe", the Ed Sullivan show censor's suggestion of "girl, we can't get much better", "let's get some tacos!", Paul Williams and Crispin Glover at the Factory, Kyle MacLachlan's wig... also maybe the only movie in which I enjoy the presence of Meg Ryan

plus the editing and film stock tricks and visual trickery are just reaaallly evocative of psychedelia, Stone employing his tricks well

TRICKS I say!

kilmer's morrison is pretty great

The stuff where the wholesome California Doors go visit evil New York City with the Velvet Underground in the background & Crispin Glover slurping up the scenery as Andy Warhol. "These people are vampires, Jim."

See, if they'd give Oliver Stone the new Star Wars flicks the Death Star could be this dark VU scene and the rebel underground could be California rockers.

Luke Skywalker sings "Break on Through To The Other Side."

doors soundtrack was probably where lots of kids first heard the VU ... and hated it.

nico as this voluptuous sex kitten was pretty funny too - "morreesun"

i want to hear the 17 minute version of Alabama Song

i agree with this thread title

"remembered" / "a night on the town" on the new DEAR HUNTER nails it and "devil church" on the latest GHOST album even if non-american proceeds with choice church of manzarek organ

NYCNative, you even hate CAPTAIN BEYOND?

No, I like them. There are exceptions. I like Rush and Voivod. Probably a few more with some output I like but a lot I don't (like Yes and Van der Graaf Generator).

But as a rule, not a genre I enjoy.

doors soundtrack was probably where lots of kids first heard the VU ... and hated it.

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Yo, though I didn't hate it.

Also I'm trying to convince my wife its cool to get blown while doing a vocal

"Honey it was in the Doors movie! Plus I think I saw something in Tape Op about it"

love me two times. love me twice today

break on through
to the bad posts guy

I feel like Da Capo might have a better shot at being the first prog album. There are a LOT of sonic similarities between the furst Doors album and the first side of Da Capo but I have a hard time working out who influenced who in that...

One thing pribably safe to say: a lot of the groundwork for prog was laid in Los Angeles between 1965 and 1969

'Spanish Caravan' is one Doors song that comes to me that kinda seems progressive in a similar way to say the Nice or late 60s rock stretching arrangements and trying different sounds mixed together. Spanish Caravan has that Flamenco inspired acoustic number that fills out the front half of the tune then it breaks down and comes in with the similar melody electric half through the number. There is quite a bit of music packed into 2.59 in that Doors track.

It's based on Albinoni's Adagio so got the classical music thing going on.

Cool, did not know that. Makes sense.

The spoken word/poetry lp an American Prayer has the musicians from the Doors running through a straighter version of the Albinoni tune from what I remember, but I can't remember when it was recorded. If it is just part of the outtakes for Waiting For The Sun or if it was recorded later or even much later since the lp didn't come out until around 1980.

Doors were definitely influenced by Love, not the other way around. Think I read that's why they signed tomelektra -- they wanted to be on Arthur Lee's label.

*to elektra*

And I'm sure I read that Arthur Lee recommended them to Jac Holzman.

The thing here that made me question was that Da Capo was released after the first Doors album...Idk exactly how early that material is, obv 7 & 7 Is was around in 66 and Revelation was (purportedly) early enough to inspire the Stones' Goin Home, so its v possible the band were gigging a lot of the baroque/jazz-leaning songs in LA clubs early enough to influence the Doors' own sound (Morrison famously cited Love as his favorite band)...otoh I dont necessarily think its implausible that Arthur Lee, without denigrating his achievement, maybe tried to cop a little of Manzarek's steez for songs like Stephanie Knows Who and Que Vida?

I know Morrison was very influenced, especially in terms of stage presence & moves, by Van Morrison in Them when they played the whisky

It's not a huge leap from the harpsichord bit at 1:30 here to the main keyboard part of "Light My Fire":
https://youtu.be/XBRyj1ox8gs

Revelation was (purportedly) early enough to inspire the Stones' Goin Home

I thought it was the other way round

Also, "Da Capo" is 1966?