But Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian is the best metal album ever. Obv.
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link
Right, Devilock I think you've got the right idea here. TBH I realized how thorny this poll might be after I proposed it, and thought about changing it to a single genre poll (like Black Metal), but oh well.
Another good rule of thumb -- If its in Kerrang! it most likely does not belong here.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
I usually just go by if terrorizer covered them then its in
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/terroris.htm
all decisions are frobishers though
what was extreme 10, 20, 30 years ago might not sound extreme now so you have to balance up the era it came out. Sure , thrash metal isnt very extreme now but it sure was when the albums were made.Obviously retro revival thrash bands might not seem extreme but would it really matter if they got in? its just a poll.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
if it got in kerrang until the late 90s frobisher it might be extreme metal, frobisher. It did used to cover it.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
good point about early kerrang
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
xpost to myself
Of course Venom was the first band nominated, and if Venom is in, everything is in: Mercyful Fate, Maiden, Priest. Or you could make the argument that Venom is noisier and more aggressive than the others.
So I'm just gonna pretend like I haven't noticed anything.
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
dont really see maiden or priest or sabbath as extreme tho thats just heavy metal to me
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link
I think we just need to make a special case for Venom. But if it makes people unhappy I'll take them off
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
no way. venom were right there at the beginning of extreme metal.If you remove them you may as well take off the thrash bands!
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
tho even early terrorizer lists are lolshttp://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/terroris.htm
Terrorizer Albums Of The Year 1996
1. Type O Negative – October Rust2. Godflesh – Songs Of Love And Hate3. Neurosis – Through Silver In Blood4. Swans – Soundtracks For The Blind5. Tool – Aenima6. Samael – Passage7. Earth Crisis – Gomorrah's Season Ends8. Whitehouse – Quality Time9. Sepultura – Roots10. Blood Axis – The Gospel Of Inhumanity
The other 20 albums...
11. 16 – Drop Out12. Arch Enemy – Black Earth13. Fu Manchu – In Search Of…14. Crisis – Deathshread Extermination15. The 3rd & The Mortal – Painting On Glass16. C.O.C – Wiseblood17. Vader – De Profundis18. Cradle Of Filth – Dusk And Her Embrace19. Laibach – Jesus Christ Superstars20. Korn – Life Is Peachy21. Katatonia – Brave Murder Day22. Gehenna – Malice23. Turmoil – From Bleeding Hands24. Crowbar – Broken Glass25. Various Artists – Nordic Metal26. Bloodlet – Entheogen27. Downset – Do We Speak A Dead Language?28. Stuck Mojo – Pigwalk29. My Dying Bride – Like Gods Of The Sun30. Burzum – Filosofem
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
Deeds of Flesh - Reduced to Ashes
They get slagged as a Suffoclone but I think they homed in on one aspect of the Suffo sound, that maniacal chopping guitar thing, and developed it into something beyond even Suffocation. Sometimes I don't even understand how those guys can play in that style in that sustained way for so long. They all must have wrist deformities by now. Anyway, Reduced to Ashes is one of the meanest and most unrelenting death metal albums ever.
Also:
Nile - Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-KaNile - Black Seeds of VengeanceNile - In Their Darkened ShrinesNile - Annihilation of the Wicked
Yes I think all four are equally great and I cannot choose an objective favorite. Each album is like a heavier and more refined version of the one before, and I'd have been content if they'd only ever released just one of them. Pretty much perfect albums all. I have no idea how I'd forgotten Nile til now as they're one of my fav dm bands.
xpost yes keep Venom I was daring to delve into the nitpickiness that will be our downfall but I'm all better now
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
Nobody need vote venom,hellhammer or death ss if they dont like them but i think they should be nominated just for their trailblazing.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
the real murky territory is the death metal demos that preceded official albums by years in some cases. THAT is where the elitists shine.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
argh, please don't post lists unless you want to nominate everything on them! And if so, I'm not allowing Korn or Type-O-Negative or Arch Enemy or a lot of stuff...
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
are they allowed? Would anyone nominate/vote them?
xp
agreed on Venom (Hellhammer and Death seem to be no-brainer to me) -- I think a trickier case would be a band like Motorhead
― Dominique, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
xp yes! The greatest albums of all time were undoubtedly all on tape cassette with 300 copies made.
If you know about that stuff nominate it then, its your life.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
i wouldnt say they were extreme, hell lemmy spent their entire existence saying they're not metal!
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
i dont know shit about death metal but im glad youre allowing it
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
Jute Gyte - DiscontinuitiesJute Gyte - Vast ChainsJute Gyte - RessentimentJute Gyte - Ship of TheseusDodheimsgard - A Umbra OmegaDodheimsgard - 666 International(James Plotkin's) Atomsmasher - AtomsmasherOrthrelm - OVKayo Dot - Dowsing Anemone With Copper TongueMUTation - Error 500Menace Ruine - Venus ArmataBlut Aus Nord - 777 - CosmosophyDeathspell Omega - Fas - Ite, Maledicti, In Ignem AeternumLychgate - An Antidote for the Glass PillChrome Hoof - Crush DepthDälek - Absence (n.b. this might actually not count as it's really a hip-hop record. that sounds like an extreme metal record)The Devin Townsend Project - DeconstructionEsoteric - The Maniacal ValeThe Angelic Process - Weighing Souls With SandKoenjihyakkei - Koenji 2 / Viva Koenji!!Portal - OutréSigh - Imaginary SonicscapeSpektr - MescalyneXasthur - Subliminal GenocideXasthur - Defective EpitaphZu - Carboniferous
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
I don't think Motorhead should count fwiw xp's
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
nm about Arch Enemy btw, I confused them with a different band, they would certainly be allowed.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
why would arch enemy not be allowed? you thinking of something else like nightwish?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
hah ok
thank you imago, those are good noms. Not sure on Devin Townsend tho...
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
right, but it's a very blurry line to separate extreme metal from regular old school heavy metal, esp right around the time of Motorhead and Venom. IMO, what really turned heavy metal into extreme metal was the influence of punk, and Motorhead is front and center in that transition. Mind you, I'm not saying they are a "metal" band in the same way Metallica or Slayer is -- but then, neither is Venom, really. Both bands just had a huge hand in creating a world where Metallica and Slayer would make sense, bringing metal out of the Black Sabbath/Rainbow/Deep Purple world.
xpost
― Dominique, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
That's the only Devin Townsend album (other than SYL) I'd consider 'extreme' but you have to trust me here - it is xp
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
I'm listening to that specific album now and ok I agree.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link
Yeah Deconstruction is definitely several shades into the red from the Devin stuff I mentioned earlier.
Also now that those two DHG albums are being brought up I have to add
Dodheimsgard - Kronet til KongeDodheimsgard - Monumental Possession
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:15 (eight years ago) link
Sorry, that Dälek album is pretty noisey, but IMO its not very metal. I don't think its going on the list...But this is tough... I dunno. I guess I'll let it slide, it is like weird industrial rap with distorted guitars so... ok.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:16 (eight years ago) link
2edgy4me
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
which melvins albums count is the tricky one for me
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:18 (eight years ago) link
and what about bands like Helmet? not really hardcore not trad metal too noise rock?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
or Prong?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
How about stuff like Naked City, which is a little bit of everything but certainly informs stuff like, say, Dillinger Escape Plan.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
But I think I'm going to veto NWOBHM & 70s heavy hard rock, I gotta draw the line somewhere.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
And like I said, I'll side on adding boderline stuff. Stuff such as Helmet and Prong, which are really more hard-driving hard rock I don't think counts, unless there's specific albums of theirs that are very metally. Standard stoner rock stuff is out though.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
some Prong stuff was quite thrashy others more industrial metal which you said was allowed
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
if its like extreme pastiche with bits of metal and other stuff I think it counts (like say, certain Mike Patton stuff).I don't think there's any Melvins album that's off limits, tbh! But they have ALOT of albums so some of them might be pretty chillax? IDK.
xp sure, specific albums and such that are extreme -- nominate them.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link
I think Prong - Beg To Differ is pretty thrashy and a classic at that. SO Im nominating it.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link
ok
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
for those struggling to remember what to nominate this might help (just ignore the trad doom stuff obviously)
http://tinyurl.com/rymextreme
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link
frobisher you could let the wiki entry decide what subgenres are allowed then you can blame that if people complain :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_metal
http://i.imgur.com/ErnaKk0.png
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link
Not really sure you can argue with that tbh and it makes clear what counts
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
haha ok this is a new subgenre for mehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_and_Anarchist_black_metal
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
Part of a series onMarxism
― jmm, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
I think you're right CS. I'll have to allow all doom. But I'd like to remind people that pagan & viking metal that's like Nightwish or Edenbridge will be allowed! Basically any power metal that doesn't have heavy breakdowns is out.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
That's a pretty good list of genres to choose from, so I think I'll defer to wikipedia here.
Also, stuff that is "kinda doomy" or just stonery doesn't count IMO, I think it has to be exceptionally slow or sludgy or extreme in someother way like psychedelic droning.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
i am ever so glad youre running the poll and not me and you have to take the decisions
Anything less heavy than Candlemass, Trouble and Saint Vitus are out yeah? (theyre the big 3 doom metal bands obviously)
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link