2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees POLL

los lobos would be kind of an arty choice really - not unlike tom waits

los lobos were part of that whole mitchell froom moods explosion that for better or worse definitely in some way defines something about the nineties

I saw Los Lobos once in 1987. They did an interminable solo-heavy "jam" at the end, which segued into "La Bamba," a few months before its release (and, I was told, the first time they'd played it onstage; dunno if that's true).

But I mostly remember the opener, Otis Rush. Not only did he absolutely kill, but the audience demanded an encore. To this day, he's the only opening act I've ever seen who played an encore.

i enjoy chicago far far more than i should - there's at least a cd's worth of music by them i straight up love and it spans many years - but i worry that inducting them would open the door to blood, sweat, and tears somehow getting in down the road and that simply can't happen

steve miller's ubiquity and popularity is something i suspect brits can't begin to suspect or understand. i'm not sure there was a time he was ever wildly popular, if he was ever popular enough that critics had to have an opinion like w/ grand funk or three dog night or whatever, lots of acts w/ similar rep had a similar number of hits but gradually they got whittled down on oldies and classic rock playlists so that they're now only known for one or two songs while his hits just somehow never went away.

I even enjoy half a dozen Chicago songs, but a RRHOF with Peter fucking Cetera? Gotta draw the line somewhere...

Also -

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No. Just no.

i think dave marsh might kill himself trying to figure out WHICH chicago line-ups to acknowledge

And Steve Miller is just such a nothing artist. A non-playing motherfucker, if you will.

I imagine Dave Marsh will delegate that agonizing decision to someone else.

Induct that Chicago/EWF combo that toured a few years back. Make up for Chicago by inducting Earth Wind and Fire twice!

i'm more surprised at the chicago nomination than the steve miller, that dude's tight w/ mccartney so i could imagine he just has enough friends in the room deciding the nominees

man i actually forgot how little chicago's line-up actually changed despite the sonic "evolution" of the band (kool & the gang is pretty similar in that respect). induct the original line-up and only people like bill "i sang look away" champlin could be too aggrieved.

yeah steve is like tom petty, johnny cougar and darryl hall where even if some olds with long memories could remember they were corporate hacks once they seem like "when music was real" folks now. chicago, despite that early album avant shit, can't really go there

and just so some petty fan doesn't choke on their food i'm using "corporate hack" as VERY reductive shorthand here

I'm not surprised at any classic rock leftovers getting nommed at this point - in that category at least, these choads will never recognize when they've reached the bottom of the barrel. And I say that as somebody who loves a shitload of 70s rock.

i'd like to assume the hall straight-up forgot dire straits happened

Don't bet on it! One mega-album aside, though, weren't they always more of a UK/Europe phenomenon?

first album's double platinum here, the other non-brothers albums gold or platinum. not the biggest band but well loved in the 80s by the kinda people presumably voting today. if mark put even a modicum of effort into brand awareness over the last twenty years they'd get in before los lobos

steve miller's ubiquity and popularity is something i suspect brits can't begin to suspect or understand. i'm not sure there was a time he was ever wildly popular, if he was ever popular enough that critics had to have an opinion like w/ grand funk or three dog night or whatever, lots of acts w/ similar rep had a similar number of hits but gradually they got whittled down on oldies and classic rock playlists so that they're now only known for one or two songs while his hits just somehow never went away.

― balls, Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:26 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, Steve Miller's biggest hit in the UK was 'The Joker', but that was in 1990 after it had featured in a jeans advert here years after its original release. He had a #2 hit with 'Abracadabra' in '82 and 'Rock 'n Me' which made it to #11 in '76, but he only manged to hit the UK Top 40 with these three singles. 'Keeps Me Wondering Why' made it to #52, none of his other singles charted.

i hope there's been at least three times jann wenner's run into knopfler and said "wait, you're not in yet? i gotta DO something about that!" in the last decade

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'Fly Like An Eagle' only charted here when Seal covered it!

I can handle Christgau thinking British people are ignorant about Los Lobos, because lord knows how much I don't give a shit about Christgau.

I can think of one nominating committee member other than Wenner whom I have no doubt has strongly advocated for Dire Straits every single year they have been eligible. His name is Bill Flanagan.

Ben Ratliff's Kurt Vile/War on Drugs thing today mentions '80s Dylan and Senor Well Yeah as major influences. Yet I do not remember anyone mentioning that the big songs by WOD I've heard on the radio are hugely redolent of Dire straits.

voted YES. should already be in there, but jann wenner hates them and prog in general, no?

idgaf about the bullshit rrhof but the cars rule u philistines

They recorded one good album, half of another, a few singles. I like a couple tracks on Ocasek's first two solo joints.

people keep saying this, and i agree that overall candy-o is lesser babka to the s/t album, but what's the half that's not good? it's a whole album of that thing you like, if you like that kind of thing.

fwiw "La Bamba" is the only Los Lobos song I've ever heard

― welltris (crüt), Friday, October 9, 2015 1:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not a Los Lobos song

― it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes I know

people keep saying this, and i agree that overall candy-o is lesser babka to the s/t album, but what's the half that's not good? it's a whole album of that thing you like, if you like that kind of thing.

Ha -- I was referring to the debut as the half good one. I prefer Candy-O.

the cars are great, and deserve to be in there (not that it's a big deal either way). as for why YES, who's been around since the late 1960s, isn't in there, i'm with zizek: "I think that we humans are masters in how to sabotage our happiness. We want to be maybe almost happy, but not really happy. We don’t really want what we desire."

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/11/slavoj_zizek_on_obama_bernie_sex_and_democracy_thats_the_reality_of_global_capitalism_everyone_is_violating_the_rules/

perhaps as a nation and even a species we might begin to heal if we stop resisting how awesome YES is and how happy their best music can make us feel. get down, sure, but get up, too

Dick Dale.

Chicago now has 35.5 million votes over Yes' 23.8.

Psych Prog in the Hall Of Fame

chicago fans are worse than tool fans

Ruh roh, Tool are eligible next year! I could see another Eddie Trunk-lead bitchfest campaign resulting in the nomination of Thin Lizzy or UFO. I'd get behind that, or ELO!

http://futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/Dave_Marsh_Opens_Up.html

It’s kind of heartbreaking because… one of the things that happens is simple. People die. Darlene [Love] could have died without getting in the Hall of Fame. This has been such a holocaustal year for great musicians dying, that’s really foremost in my mind. Everybody is getting older. It’s not just those early British invasion bands who have turned 70, hell, the early British invasion bands are worrying about 80! It’s a few years off, but it’s going to happen. If you were born in ‘38 or ‘39 it’s gonna happen. Sam Moore will be 80 this year. So you’re going to start losing people that you shouldn’t lose without honoring them while they’re alive. And the longer you wait, the fewer people who actually remember how great something was.

And I’ll just use, because they’re on the ballot, and because it’s been an ongoing conversation, and because it’s the strangest area where the Hall of Fame’s inductees are weak… is hard rock bands. And the bution that Deep Purple [Ed. Note: keyboardist Jon Lord died in 2012], who are a great band by any definition of rock and roll. They made record after record. I know I took them for granted for way too long. And there’s a bunch of people like that, whether it’s somebody whose style is pretty much forgotten and discarded, like Marc Bolan, who is not on the ballot, and to the best of my knowledge has never been on the ballot, but who was the spirit of rock and roll. I would say in historical terms, one of the luckiest things that ever happened to David Bowie was Marc Bolan’s car crash. I don’t mean that to say anything mean about David exactly, but Marc was just something extraordinarily special. And when you’ve got a process that won’t even let you get around to that fact, because there are other even bigger problems that have to be addressed... It’s frustrating. Not because anybody wants it to be frustrating.

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Most people like awards, but no matter how much they'd like being inducted, I doubt, "But I haven't been inducted in the Hall yet!" has occupied the dying thoughts of any musician...with the possible exception of anyone who died with massive amounts of cocaine in their system...

Keeping in mind the big picture and the lack of importance of the R&R Hall of Fame I think would help a lot of people not be so uptight about it and enjoy it more!

Keep that in mind and don't freak out, but Chicago has locked down the popular poll, with voting capping out at 37.5 million the past few weeks. So yeah, pretty likely they will be inducted. The Cars in 2nd with 27.8 mil, Yes just 4,394 votes behind in 3rd, Steve Miller & Deep Purple make up the top 5. Voting in the popular poll is still open, I think up until shortly before the official announcement in a few weeks!

http://rockhall.com/voting/2016-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-vote/

The winner of the popular poll doesn't automatically get inducted.

Yes, it only makes up one of about 600 ballots. HOWEVER, winners of all three previous popular vote ballots, Kiss, Rush and Stevie Ray Vaughan were indeed inducted. I think other voters paid attention and it made much more impact than just the one ballot.

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yeah that'll happen

B-fuckin-oo.

lol @ the three googlers who voted for chicago

People who voted for The Cars ahead of Deep Purple, you make me sick to my stomach

The Cars getting that many votes
LOL

They like the nite-life babeh

Interestingly, The Smiths are second to last in the HOF popular vote, at 0.28% (453,639 votes) over Los Lobos, just behind Nine Inch Nails & N.W.A. It's really strange to see them that low -- I thought everyone revered them at least on the level of The Cure, New Order & R.E.M. Has the lack of a reunion and Morrissey's prickliness hurt their chances?

popular vote > ILM vote

not american and sold almost no records here, nobody but college saddos ever knew who they were. wiki reports that their peak of success was strangeways hitting #55 on the albums chart. "how soon is now" at #36 on the US Dance chart. despite a great rep with the kind of people who become music critics, they are effectively nobodies.

yeah Smiths are v much a cult thing in the US

Definitely not on par with REM

yeah that the smiths are even nominated (esp w/ dave marsh on the nominating committee) is kinda amazing. consider that roxy music and t rex have never been nominated.