again, no devoluciĆ³n is a remarkable record
I lump it in w/ Young Machetes as a slept-on epic final screamo opus, surely there's another
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link
i think you meant skramz there, mordy! as far as earlier than 2003 is concerned!
we don't have a skramz thread, to my knowledge.
it's for another thread, but, city of caterpillar, orchid, jeromes dream, even reversal of man! etc. deserve more discussion!
we have some other thread called "gothed out hardcore" i think. it covers the older stuff (the hated, moss icon, etc. even later stuff like heroin and shotmaker). it'd be nice to talk more about post-2000 great real-f-ing-screamo bands, though. because, there isn't many of them, except for the one's giving it a throwback. (pianos become the teeth - are wonderful)
Bleurgh. Dammnit! All I can do is repeat the quoted sentiment above:Thursday : emo :: Smiths : post-punk.No one was supposed to try to sound like The Smiths, just as no one was supposed to try to sound like Thursday.
― in a hideous town (monster mash), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 00:21 (eight years ago) link
sometimes brad bumps the emo thread w/ recent bands doing interesting things but nothing really is near as good as the best screamo albums of like 2001-2003 i wonder if that moment is just lost to time
nothing really approaches it this year but last year's hotelier record is a modern classic imo
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 00:44 (eight years ago) link
i mean it's not 100 percent screamo but what is these days
So, like three ilm-ers like Thursday.
Others: just take a look at Thursday in hindsight. They were original and fabulous at the time, and especially are now. It's unfair to judge them by/compare them to what they influenced.
Rickly is hilarious. He basically hates all of his peers. And, he kind of "gets it". Bleurghhh. I'll go into it at some point later. At least he has Pitchfork approval now (I'm not being ironic - I am extremely happy that Thursday and Rickly are finally finding the wider audiences and critical acclaim that they/he always deserved).
― in a hideous town (monster mash), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link
pitchfork didn't review the no devotion record (iirc) so it's hard to say he has "pitchfork approval," but i think several of the current contributors have some kind of history with thursday, they were a really crucial band for a lot of people
btw EVERYONE in this thread should check out the no devotion record, it's the next logical step after no devolucion
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link
oh, i just meant that they gave United Nations a 'best new track', talked about Thursday/Rickly here or there (in supportive, encouraging ways), and gave the re-issue of the first Thursday album a very, very kind review (it only got 6.9 or something, but reads more like an 8.1 or something).
― in a hideous town (monster mash), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link
ummm. no problem with pitchfork, but i've not read it regularly for 10 years now, by the way. i really should read it more. i like nabisco and mr. raggett a whole damn plenty.
― in a hideous town (monster mash), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
oh yeah i forgot about all of that. united nations code as cool in a way thursday doesn't though. waiting is definitely a v raw record
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
you're wrong! now that united nations are cool, so is thursday, by extension!
but, it just takes threads like this, on ilm and elsewhere, and a few decent acknowledgments by p-fork, stylus, etc. before we can make the indie masses consider them canon.
― in a hideous town (monster mash), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
i mean i wish but emo still feels very separate from everything else. i'll take it back when an emo record gets a bnm (i almost thought the world is would do it this year)
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link
i consider thursday, from war all the time forward, just as i consider skramz bands!
from that album forward, they're in the league of orchid, jeromes dream, city of caterpillar, funeral diner, and so forth, as far as i'm concerned! they grew up with 'war', but were prettier than other bands, i guess. but, i guess their prettiness makes it hard to take them seriously, for most.
― in a hideous town (monster mash), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
thursday rules. what is a skramz band?
― le hague, Sunday, 22 November 2015 02:25 (eight years ago) link
I though it was a stupid term that retroactively applies to older screamo before it became a "scene" thing but don't quote me on that. I don't have much use for Thursday any more but they were a good band back in th'day
― ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 22 November 2015 22:07 (eight years ago) link
yep. awful term
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, 22 November 2015 22:15 (eight years ago) link
nope. "skramz" is a hilarious and useful term. i've got no problem using it (kinda) seriously, and i'd expect anyone near an emo thread on ilm to already know it. i've got 0 problems with it.cheers!
― potential trouble source (monster mash), Sunday, 22 November 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link